It's Getting Crowded at the Top

Russia collusion, Russia disinformation, and Dixiecrat switch. Humm, boring and predictable for years for some, decades for others. Shall I continue?

 

At least those aren't derivative of things the right were accusing the left of, and actually happened.

Collusion, I'm not convinced it didn't happen. Roger Stone will forever be the lynchpin for that in my mind on the most obvious example, the DNC hack information release timed by him.

Disinformation, this isn't even a conspiracy, both sides acknowledge Russia has been trying to influence our elections and political discourse with information campaigns.

Dixiecrat switch, are you really all in that there was never a party realignment? That's just willfully ignorant. The most stark example is that somehow republicans claim both that the confederacy is their heritage but also that they're the party of Lincoln. You literally can't have both.

 

You label normal people as "alt-Right" and crazy people on the Left as "normal". I'm just correcting your labels.

 

Just to start:
https://www.realclearinvestigations...d_no_proof_of_russian_hack_of_dnc_123596.html

Want to continue?

 

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Not if you're gonna keep cherry picking tidbits to misrepresent your claims. Crowdstrike essentially says "we're 99% sure it was Russia, but don't technically have a smoking gun" meanwhile 6 or so other investigative agencies come to the same conclusion that Russia was behind it and based on these investigations, the Mueller report concludes Russia was behind it.

 

So...we have a PROVEN conspiracy between the MSM, the Justice Department, and Hillary's DNC to remove a sitting U.S. President from office on 100% fabricated data purchased and planted by Hillary Clinton's lawyer. How exactly does "Russian Disinformation" play into all that?

 

We don't, but I'm not really interested in exchanging tangential whataboutisms, so I'll leave it at that

 

You just can't face reality, can you? How is Hillary Clinton going to prison "tangential"?

You were obtuse, but now you're acute.

 

Obviously you didn’t read the article. This isn’t cherry picked, I posted the RCP story because devout leftist like yourself won’t believe any conservative source.

 

It's an editorial that cherry picks one piece of their testimony. Nothing to do with the source, it's got the same energy as:

 

Editorial, show your source.

 

I'm saying that's what the piece you posted from Aaron Mate is. He's not reporting the news, he's writing a whole article on conjectural implications of said news and how it might play out. It's an opinion piece. Basically all news stories are these days save for a sentence or 2 buried in the text. This one just so happens to use a single sentence where Crowdstrike says they're pretty sure but not 100% and latches onto it as if it invalidates every other conclusion crowdstrike made.

 

"Henry’s recently released testimony does not mean that Russia did not hack the DNC. What it does make clear is that Obama administration officials, the DNC and others have misled the public by presenting as fact information that they knew was uncertain. The fact that the Democratic Party employed the two private firms that generated the core allegations at the heart of Russiagate -- Russian email hacking and Trump-Russia collusion – suggests that the federal investigation was compromised from the start."

Here's one of the top comments I find interesting...

"I think Henry knows it was Seth Rich who stole the emails. The transfer rate of the files indicated that they were not transferred remotely, but transferred directly to a flash drive. DNC knew it was Seth Rich who stole the files. That is why Julian Assange offered a $50,000 reward for any information regarding the murder of Seth Rich."

 

You keep repeating yourself, but don't answer the key questions..."Why did we choose this path?" and "What do we hope to gain from the destruction of Ukraine?".

Reality only exists if you're willing to defend it. So far,, the Biden Administration is content to sit back and watch Ukraine suffer and die...why? We do a "river dance" all over Putin's clearly announced "Red Line", and now, as Russia lays waste to Ukraine, we say "Oh! We don't want to get involved!".

We effectively put Ukraine in NATO when we crossed Putin's Red Line. Not only are we not helping to negotiate a settlement, we keep throwing more fuel on the fire! Then, we give Ukraine just enough aid to keep the body count rising. This is HORRIFIC foreign policy and you should be ashamed for supporting it.

 

This is about as close to a "middle finger" Zenenskyy can give Biden at the moment.

Zelenskyy: 'This is not a movie. This is real life.'
In a "60 Minutes" interview, Ukraine's president repeatedly challenged the world to stand up to Russia.
04/10/2022 08:37 PM EDT



Zelenskyy said he expected renewed Russian attacks and said additional weapons and supplies from the West were essential.

“To be honest, whether we will be able to survive depends on this,” he said. “I have 100 percent confidence in our people and in our armed forces. But unfortunately, I don’t have the confidence that we will be receiving everything we need.”

Zelenskyy made it clear that much depended on the American response.

“President [Joe] Biden can enter history as the person who stood shoulder to shoulder with the Ukrainian people who won and chose the right to have their own country,” he said.

Pelley asked whether he was disappointed in Biden.

“No, I’m not disappointed,” Zelenskyy said. “I don’t know how another president in his place would help us, I don’t know. It’s difficult. We have a good relationship. I think so, at least. Ukraine depends on the support of the United States. And I, as the leader of a country at war, I can only be grateful.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/10/zelenskyy-ukraine-60minutes-pelley-00024331

 

You keep deflecting from what instigated this atrocity in the first place...and our piecemeal response. We've know for YEARS that Putin is a brute. Did we really need to sacrifice Ukraine to confirm that?

NATO doesn't instigate conflict without a plan. So why can't we see the plan?

 

I disagree fundamentally NATO instigated this conflict

 

Good...that's where we disagree. Please state your case. What is your view of how events unfolded since the 2020 election.