Well you seem to speak with authority claiming what the military can and can't do. I was wondering what you based that opinion on.
If I presented myself as an authority on the subject, I apologize. It is my opinion based on my personal interactions with members of our government and military in my lifetime. I will state authoritatively that the US military does not have the ability to control the weather patterns of the planet despite whatever crack pot report you have read.
No ONE "crackpot" report. I am not quite as extensively into this subject as I am 911, however, I have researched this subject quite a bit also. If you haven't learned anything else about me, you should as least recognize that I DO research a bit more than a single "crackpot report". They may not have the capability to 'control' the weather, so to speak, but they do have the means and the technology to signifigantly influence it. They have spent (for some time now) and continue to spend massive amounts of money on the technology. HAARP, barium chemtrails, cloud seeding exist. HAARP, in particular, is a vehicle for that technology, and they admit some of HAARP's capabilities. Makes me wonder what they won't admit, and, based on what I've read on the subject, Id' say it's a whole lot more than communicating with subs (as they initially said that it was for). Lemme guess. Chemtrails are not really chemtrails right?...they're just a result of plane "exhaust" and the sun's reflection? Next time you see some "exhaust" in tic tac toe patterns...pay attention to see whether or not they dissipate, or they slowly expand and turn into "clouds". Exhaust dissipates rather quickly. Chemtrails turn blue skies into gray. It's easy enough to verify. I know that much research can't be that much trouble.
This wasn't a military airshow (least not in the traditional sense). Nor are they spraying for mosquitos.
Influencing a very localized short duration weather phenomenon with some sort of pollution is a far cry from controlling global weather patterns. Out of curiosity Tom, what does control the weather patterns on our planet?
Geez Lehigh. Wish you would focus less on trying to steer me where you want me to go by asking elementary questions. Everyone knows the weather patterns are controlled by Dick Cheney. Seriously dude...you really should work for Fox.
Would this lady be "credentialed" enough for you Lehigh? http://www.ratical.com/co-globalize/HAARPbg.html
Stop posting links that I am afraid to open while at work and answer the question. What controls weather patterns on our planet?
Depends how far you want to take it Lehigh. You could start with the sun's influence, the earth spinning on it's axis, and the effects of both of them on the jet stream. I think I know where you're going with this though. You're gonna say "we can't possibly influence the sun". Is that close? That would of course, be true. But that's not what they're manipulating. They are manipulating its' effects. C'mon professor. Teach me.
I am not insinuating that you cant temporarily affect localized weather by messing with the atmosphere in a particular area, but to control global weather patterns you would have to mess with ocean currents. Tom, you seem to have such an optimistic opinion of the abilities of the human race. If you would like a reminder of who small an insignificant we are to this planet, simply find the nearest ocean and go for a swim. The raw power of the ocean will reveal itself to you in short order.
See that's the general attitude of the republican party as a whole. Nobody can 'really' hurt the earth very badly. That may or may not be true but it really doesn't matter because it's inhabitants are nowhere near as durable as you suggest the earth is. I agree we are very insignificant and of little consequence to the universe as a whole. The toys we play with though are similar to a child playing with matches and lighter fluid. The crap they're doing with HAARP (like heating and stretching the ionisphere and bouncing microwaves off of it) are potentially very catastrophic for the human race. The planet will roll on just fine probably, shake us off like a bad cold and start again. We're just beginning to scrape the surface of understand dark matter. We've recently discovered there is a hole in the magnetosphere (that we previously THOUGHT was a complete shield around the earth, protecting it from things crashing into us. It would only take ONE such mass of ice or piece of a planet to destroy all life on the earth. We play around with things like HAARP like we're some kind of genius when the fact is we don't really know the consequences of our toying. I know you a 'non conspiracy' minded Fox watcher, but why do you think we're digging all these underground cities (similar to the one under Denver International Airport)? I know...that's not really there either. HAARP is a pretty scary technology if you do any research at all on the subject. But that's us...piss on everyone and everything in persuit of our egos, and with sadists of corporate America leading the way.
Your incessant practice of calling anyone who disagrees with you a fox watcher ruins your credibility, not mine. I really thought you would be smart enough to realize that. In addition, you need to understand that the things you are reading on these radical websites are written with the sole intent to criminalize the government and it's activities. You question everything thrown at you by the government but accept any criticism of that government unconditionally without questioning the source of that criticism. That is why you believe these crazy conspiracy theories. I don't believe any of them. Not the crackpots on the internet, not the incompetent fools in the government, and certainly not anyone who thinks they can either control or change the fate of this planet and our ability to inhabit it. You throw the information about the magnetosphere as if it was reliable. Simply because they just found the supposed hole doesn't mean it wasn't there before. But it is convenient for people like you to extrapolate the discovery of the hole as the product of human interference. You have no proof that the human race had anything to do with the hole in the magnetosphere and the use of it as a scare tactic is tantamount to, you guessed it, propaganda. You are the expert on telling others to take their heads out of the sand. Follow you own advice and start questioning the motives of the sources who provide you with your information. BTW, you would do well to have a basic understanding of the scientific principles involved in these subjects in addition to simply reading as much biased research as you can. Your inability to understand basic metallurgical principles was crystal clear in our debate about 9/11 and your inability to understand meteorology and the role of ocean currents on global weather patterns is equally as transparent. IMO, your entire response was an attempt to spin the fact that ocean currents are the driving force behind weather patterns which shoots an enormous hole in your entire conspiracy theory.
Again you dismiss my views because you think I'm not as brilliant as you seem to think that you are. I could reference more material that simply makes sense to the average schmuck like me, but no point in trying to convince you of anything that isn't what you think it is. Again, I do not need to have a scientific degree to form an intelligent opinion based on available information. I don't give a crap who does or doesn't sponsor it. I simply need to verify the information that I am capable of verifying, and listen to the educated folks who do indeed have a much better understanding of these things than I do. Not that it matters I suppose, but I watch everything I can via shows like NatGeo, as well as the info found in multiple sources on the web regarding the topics I post (except for my opinions on the right as that's all my opinion of criminal rapists). I find things like science, the earth, the universe extremely interesting...a helluva more so than numb skull shows like friggin' American Idol. I learn a lot. Are the folks on these shows biased? Hell yeah. Rupert Murdoch even owns a large share of NGC, and NGC can even present garbage like the last 911 hit piece, but I don't need them to distinguish the difference for me. I can figure out what's garbage and what isn't. You can accept 911 was a bunch of box cutter waving cave dwellers that bypassed the entire military and all technology for hours, but you can't wrap your head around anything with the educated opinions of the very type of folks you claim would be credible. (that is those who are educated but disagree with your agenda). I really do think you must have swallowed one of your poker chips and it's blocking your air supply.
Glad you brought up poker. You told us before that you enjoy playing poker. Perhaps you should play more often. It develops the skill of determining BS and putting a whole story together very well. You are reading things that have obvious holes in the story and don't question them. Nowhere in that entire HAARP report did they even mention ocean currents. Think about it Tom. If the US was going to attack the weather pattern of an enemy nation, they would have to do it in a way that was undetectable. Without changing ocean currents, the other nation would figure out rather quickly that something sinister was going on. You don't need a scientific degree unless the information you are analyzing is of a technical nature that would require a certain level of knowledge to confirm it's validity. For example, you were all ready to believe the propaganda about 9/11 that quoted the fires were not hot enough to melt steel. You did so because you did not have the requisite knowledge to understand the metallurgical principle of annealing and it's affect on the mechanical properties of steel. After I taught you, you changed your opinion and then insisted that the fires were not hot enough to reach the annealing temperature. The same thing is happening here. You simply can't change weather patterns by attacking the atmosphere because the weather patterns are a function of ocean currents.
HAARP explained Some interesting information on HAARP. This technology is being brought to you by the same military that was defeated with box cutters for two hours on 911. Logic would dictate that something smells rotten in Denmark. (maybe the dying brains of the American people?) Remember now. Lehigh says that all of this is basically nonsense. Good thing we have geniuses like him to keep us idiots straight. http://hardtruth.navhost.com/haarp.html
HAARP in action Just a natural occurence via HAARP. Remember, the government's too incompetent to be responsible for this everyday event.
Tom, Do you think posting a link to that ridiculous website was a good rebuttal. You basically just proved my point about blindly accepting biased information without question. Your only requirement for acceptance seems to be that it criminalizes the US government.
Yes I know Lehigh. It's ridiculous because you say it is. Tell ya what. You keep to your corner of ridiculousness and I'll keep to mine. Anything other than your opinion is ridiculous, of course. Getting you to agree with anything other than the standard corporate/government line is an exercise in futility. No point in going back and forth with you. It's almost like trying to reason with David. Admittedly you seem to have a bit more intelligence but you even things up with your arrogance. Have a good one brother.
