You're right...not my field. It is however, this man's field, if you can spare 7 minutes for a dumbed down quick overview....if you are really looking for answers but I expect no response.
The closest he came to an answer was "several tons of thermite", but at least he has that in the right ball park. For being so positive about his "facts", he certainly is very loose with his quantities. In case you didn't know, one of the more common forms of thermite is aluminum and iron oxide. Now lets see, where would I get iron. That's right. The building has tons of it. If age has not turned enough into rust, the heat of the burning plane did. Next is aluminum. Discounting the fact that the building probably had as much aluminum as iron, what do you think the plane was made of? The only thing left is heat to ignite it, but then the building was on fire, wasn't it? Well, guess what. Instant thermite. Another interesting observation of that little clip you referenced. Did you see the clip where they had the 2 building (WTC #7 and the controlled demolition) in the same shot. Interesting how they fell at the same speed. It is even more interesting when you realize that the WTC showed at least 25 floors, but the control only had ~15. Gee, I wonder why he did not mention that. Also, if you know what you are seeing, he slowed down the controlled demolition so it would match the speed of WTC7. I guess I am just not one of his "just about every architect and engineer". But then maybe I know what I am talking about and he has an agenda he is trying to prove.
I tried to explain this to Tom before to no avail. Here is my quote from the other thread that Tom and I argued about the science behind 9/11. Building-burns-for-days Post # 15 He thinks it is more likely that hundreds of mercenaries disguised as elevator repair men secretly planted tons of nano thermite on the hidden support beams of the towers over a weekend.
Incorrect. If it were aluminum pouring out of the side of the buildings, as it did, it couldn't have been aluminum because always burns a silvery color..surprise, surprise. The river of liquid flowing from the wtc's was orange/yellow.....not silver. TherMAte. basically a souped up version by adding other chemicals into the mix. I'd put his credentials up against anyone's, and I think you have the agenda of maintaining the status quo. Again...you folks can analyze what will disprove the truthers claims, but don't use the same level of scrutiny when it comes to alternative , non government approved, scenarios. That's ok though...you just keep right on selectively choosing which facts that fit YOUR agenda. Mine is only getting at the truth. Don't know what your is, but it is not motivated by the desire for truth.
Certainly no more unrealistic a scenario than "Whoops...we sent the planes the wrong way! Darnit we just could not catch those box cutter wielding cave dwellers that flew around the country for 2 hours. Nope...just a slip up I guess. Fact is normal procedure that would have worked was superceded by.....The Dick, to allow the plane to land safely in Cleveland, and Pentagon defenses were also ordered to stand down..(except for that one missile that struck the pentagon that Rummy confirmed personally). Aluminum is silver in liquid state.....use your brain. 2500 degree Melted steel is orange/yellow, like the melted steel flowing out of the side of the building almost all the way to ground and still yellow. Oh...I mentioned this before...but George Bush's brother Marvin Bush, was in charge of security. The buildings were powered down several times over the course of several weekend, and the "elevator renovation project" that went on gave them access to the core beams which need to be cut to facilitate the crime.
Incorrect? I never said anything was "pouring out of the side of the buildings", let alone that aluminum burns any color. Just how does anything "burn silvery color"? "I'd put his credentials up against anyone's" - just what are his credential in chemistry? BTW, what happened to the 25 stories versus 15 stories?
And I am sure that went right over his head. I am pretty sure mine did also, but it was more dumbed down than yours.
I gather from this list that you still believe that the WTC towers were brought down via a controlled demolition using nanothermite as the explosive. Let's examine that theory and your supporting evidence shall we. * More than 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes consistent with pre-set demolitions. Thermite reactions (including nanothermite) do not prodcue explosions. From the GUIDE FOR HANDLING MOLTEN ALUMINUM (second edition 1990) we learned: "Thermite reactions generate large amounts of heat, but not gases; hence, these reactions per se do not produce explosions." Therefore, your first responders (all 100+) are wrong. Most people have never seen a thermite reaction and have no idea what it looks or sounds like. Furthermore, no building has ever been brought down with the use of a thermite reaction. All controlled demolitions are executed using blasting caps. There was absolutely no evidence of blasting caps found in the WTC rubble. Thermite reactions produce both heat and light. If each floor was rigged with nanothermite to execute a controlled demolition, we would have seen and incredible light show coming from every floor of the towers. We know from the video that didn't happen. In addition, thermite reactions are not instantaneous like electric blasting caps. The entire reaction would take anywhere from 10-30 seconds to completely melt the steel beams. * 90,000 tons of concrete and metal decking were pulverized in mid-air, creating the signature dust clouds of controlled demolitions. Perhaps you don't really understand the acceleration due to gravity and how powerful it really is. Have you ever seen a building collapse? Well I have. In 2003, the new parking garage for our casino expansion was under construction. There was an accident and the 5 floors of steel reinforced concrete came crashing down to the ground. There were some large chunks of concrete and twisted steel but there was also the signature pulzerized dust that was found in the WTC. Now keep in mind that this structure was nothing compared to the WTC. Maybe 1/4 in square footage per floor and only 5 stories high. * A massive debris field 1,400 feet in diameter, along with the absence of “pancaked” floors, indicates a very explosive destruction of each tower. Explosive destruction huh! You have already admitted that nanothermite is the only explosive that fits your theory. Since thermitic reactions don't cause explosions, what destroyed the towers and crated the debris field? Answer: GRAVITY! * The presence of several tons of molten metal found in the debris is consistent with the extreme temperatures generated by the use of thermite – an incendiary used to cut through steel like a hot knife through butter. First off, a hot knife through butter doesn't take 10+ seconds so stop embellishing. While you may believe that the molten metal was caused by nanothermite, it is much more plausible that the thermitic reaction from the airplane aluminum and steel beams as well as the debris fires caused the molten metal found at ground zero. * An international team of scientists found nano-thermitic composite material in World Trade Center dust samples, providing hard evidence of the presence of advanced energetic materials in the disaster debris. The official FEMA and NIST reports provide insufficient, contradictory, and fraudulent accounts of the circumstances of the towers’ destruction. An international team huh! What are there names? What are their credentials? What methods did they use to determine their findings? Why has no unbiased scientest from the US been able to find the same evidence? So now that I have completely dismantled your nanothermite controlled demolition theory based on science, I would like you to start answering some questions. All of the questions are in blue. This should keep you busy! It is accepted that the terrorists did not have access to rig the WTC with explosives prior to 9/11. It is also accepted that only the government would have access to nanothermite. This means that you theory must include that the US government was responsible for orchestrating 9/11. Who is the top person in the government responsible for committing genocide on the United States citizens? What was his motive? In order to successfully pull of this incredibly plot, thousands of government employees must have been involved. How did thousands of government employees keep a secret that makes them complicit to genocide. What was their motive? Your own "so called" expert claims that tons of nanothermite would have been required to bring down the towers. How much does one pound of nanothermite cost? Where did they get the nanothermite from? Where did they get the money to buy the nanothermite? Did they steal the nanothermite from a military base? Did they also steal some rockets and VX gas? How many time have you watched the movie "THE ROCK" It would have taken hundreds of people thousands of hours to rig the steel support beams with explosives whether nanothermite or otherwise. Not every steel beam is accessible from the elevator shafts. The majority would require the removal of the interior walls of the building to access. Who planted the explosives? (Ethan Hunt?) How many people planted the explosives? How long did it take them? How did they get past security? Where did they hide several tons of nanothermite? How did they remove interior wallls, plant the explosives, and put the walls and coverings back up on every floor without being detected? Where did the government find people willing to rig the buildings with explosives when everyone of them would have known that they would be directly responsible for committing genocide? By your own admission, very few people even know about WTC7 If the twin towers were destroyed, why would it be necessary to bring a building down that nobody even knew about? Along the same line of logic, why would you plant explosives in WTC7 to begin with? Now here is the best part. You love to claim that you are the only one who uses his brain. Figure this one out genius. Your entire theory is predicated on the fact that the US government is responsible of planning and executing 9/11. Yet you abandoned your theory of drone planes because you could not explain what happened to all of the dead passengers from the flights. This meant that your were forced to admit that the planes were hijacked by the terrorists who flew them into the buildings. How did the US government convince the terrorists to proceed with the attack when the terrorists were aware that US government knew when the attack was going to take place? From the terrorist perspective, there is no way they could have proceeded because of fears of being double crossed by the US government.
And you expect Tom to understand that? Good luck BTW, the hot knife analogy was a direct quote from Mr. Gage - the "credentialed" architect who knows nothing about chemistry or building structure.
I bet he doesn't answer one question and instead responds with the same old truther talking points propaganda and an ostrich comment. The truthers have never been able to connect the dots in their grand conspiracy. They accuse the government of being responsible for the worst atrocity in American history but don't even come close to proving their claims. They always fall back and say, "we don't know exactly what happened, we just know the official government version is a lie." Then Tomclown posts this "Again...you folks can analyze what will disprove the truthers claims, but don't use the same level of scrutiny when it comes to alternative". The truthers do exactly what he is accusing us of doing to the truther theory. The difference is that the official version at least has an answer to every question and addresses means, motive, and opportunity. Every theory put forth by the truther movement fails in one of those categories. Note that I said every theory since they keep changing their story all the time. It's okay for them to change their story, but God forbid the government change their story.
I always go back to these 2 points: 1) An occurence of this magnitude has never happened therefore no one can credibly state how the explosion/implosion would occur or what it would look like. 2) A conspiracy of this dimension could never be pulled off...too many differnet interests would be involved & at some point over the past 9 years the "alliance" would have crumbled. Also, the left would have blown open the conspiracy, had one existed, to discredit Bush.
You never said...wow...some truth...very refreshing. However there are many videos I'm sure you could find on youtube or elsewhere showing the orange glowing liquid "metal" pouring out of the side of the building before it fell. Instead of critiquing me..why don't you do some simple research on your own? Answer. Because you're not interested in truth...only ignorance that eventually facilitates your agenda, whatever that is. The 25 versus 15 side distraction attempt...you're ignoring the more basic principle....that building...wtc7, fell...almost straight down, with the penthouse buckling inward first, in the middle of the afternoon, all by itself. For the third time in a day, "FIRE" caused a steel framed building to fall down go boom (rather go boom, boom, boom, and then fall down). But you COULD just ignore building 7 and distract from that fact if you like, but it doesn't change the fact that it fell, under at least suspicious conditions (to put it mildly), or you could place the same scrutiny you do on me towards easily researchable material, and look for yourself instead of what you're doing. More entertaining I guess though to focus on any one particular at a time instead of the cumulative evidence throughout the whole ridiculous fairy tale that is 911.
Lehigh's ramblings always go over my head...by design. Looks like you have the potential to be a Lehigh clone though. Keep trying....and enjoy.
You have managed to totally avoid every question I had except to say I was wrong and that you do not understand what the knowledgeable are saying You are saying that we are ignoring the truth. Just how do you know that if you do not understand the truth? BTW, Lehigh's ramblings re simple dumbed down chemistry and/or physics.
Sparky...save your .25 breath. I own all kinds of different videos (TONS of "non edited" tons) that not only show to be true what you try and propagandize, and I can plainly see with my own eyes what I see, but roll on dude. You wanna be like the government and tell me what I plainly saw ISN'T what I saw, I do realize, besides the fact I've established it's a waste of time engaging you, for ANY reason.
Thanks for your objective commentary. Google Steven Jones...physicist. Nothing about building structure? AE911TRUTH....google that too. Surely one of the hundred of architects participating there would have some idea of what your elevated IQ shows that theirs doesn't.
I've had almost a hundred of pages of post mostly ignored...you don't think I feel that bad reciprocating...do you?..especially when the ignored are well...ignorant? I understandable the knowledgeable quite easily actually...but if you're referring to the usual suspects here? You're correct. Ignorance is the smartest policy...See? Again I've learned! Thanks! I'm also pleased, that if nothing else I've learned in here to discard the brilliance of the self proclaimed "knowledgeable people" in here. I'd say both are a bit closed minded. Wasn't a complete waste of time in here I guess.
"I understandable the knowledgeable quite easily actually" - If you are saying what i think you are saying, prove it! "Ignorance is the smartest policy" - Here, you are succeeding beyond belief. Lets start here;
You've NEVER addressed these two issues even though I have brought them up many times- you simply dismiss them because you don't have a response, isn't that right?
