What Should Be Obama's Next Move Concerning Libya?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by CoinOKC, Mar 7, 2011.

  1. vess1

    vess1 "Birds of a feather...."

    I know it's been a while and I'm late to this party but I thought I'd check in.

    Just read the last few pages. I also watched the speech last night and have to say I'm a bit concerned. Because I actually AGREED with most of what Obama said! I actually liked the speech. Which might be a first. It came a little late but there wasn't much I couldn't agree with. I think he was right in saying that we can't possibly attempt to stop all of the atrocities in every country in the world but that doesn't mean we should never stop any. I believe the action taken so far was the right move and it's good to see the international community involved.

    But, now along with everyone else, I'm curious to see where it goes from here. Temporarily, the situation is under control. But unless they decide to impose a no-fly zone forever, something has to change. Maybe the UN needs to go in there and do something on the ground and prove (or disprove) it's usefulness?

    Our own administration has taken a very tentative, "dip a toe in the water" type of approach which is exactly what you can expect from Obama. He has always tried to appease both sides on every issue so this is no different and no surprise. If you like the color red a little bit and the color blue a little, without making a commitment to one or the other, neither side can accuse him of being wrong. There's always a fall back excuse/plan for campaign time. Whatever side worked positively, they'll go with.

    Which, in this instance, so far, maybe has served us well. As for applying this thinking to the long term approach for Libya.... I have my doubts. We'll see.

    Maybe "economic and diplomatic pressures" will truly be mightier than the sword this time? It sounds good in a speech.
     
  2. CoinOKC
    Yeehaw

    CoinOKC T R U M P 2 0 2 4

    OK, Rocky I'll chalk it up to "lying by omission".

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  3. clembo

    clembo Well-Known Member

    Let's see Lehigh I quouted you on this statement.
    With this.

    Then I got this.

    Huh? Did someone die and make you queen of the forum? Perhaps you should reread the entire thread and maybe any post I've ever made here on PRWE to clear things up your majesty.

    I'm aware that the U.S. does not import a lot of oil from Libya yet I maintain that oil does, indeed, play a part.

    I believe it is even more important to our allies and they are, after all, our allies.


    This next part is just plain amusing to me Lehigh.

    For starters, if you read back in this thread, I agreed with you on the humanitatian angle. HELLO!!! I just stated there might be more involved such as oil.
    Then you toss in the question if I (a democrat) am calling my own President a liar. This just cracks me up dude.
    For starters I have NEVER registered with ANY politicacl party. Cripes, I've said it too many times before but I have voted Republican, Democrat and Independent and will continue to do so.
    News flash. If the Republicans or Independants come up with some good candidates and ideas I WILL vote for them. Personally I think that ANYONE that locks themself into one party is an idiot. I don't vote straight tickets. Take that as you will.
    Furthermore,
    Reading YOUR comments on this thread I would peg you as being a closet Democrat/Socialist/Communist loosly interpreting YOUR definition from another thread and I DO mean loosly but why not? You're backing Obama after all and the Democrats on this forum are all communists. Are you getting my point at all here?
    I"m not putting words in your mouth. I'm taking them out of your mouth.

    This part is actually interesting.
    I'd love to see some real proof that invading Libya would hurt their oil production. I really wouldn't doubt it though if ground troops become involved.
    Would Gadafhi kill innocnets? No doubt. I already agreed on that. Are ther Al queda lurkng around? I wouldn't doubt it but until people rebeled Gadahfi did't care. I believe I have said this before.








    I showed up in this thread so I should make a point. I made several Grand Poobah and not just in this post. Doesn't matter whether or not you agree with them Comrade.

    Look in a mirror the next time you type those words of sheer brilliance Lehigh. I've never had a problem with you but it seems, to me anyway, that you have gone off the deep end.

    IT would seem that YOU have joined the circus.
     
  4. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Clown Hater

    Okay, I am not going to quote that huge post and treat this like CT argument with Doug. Your post seemed very partisan to me. If you are claiming that it was not intended to be partisan, then I believe you. However, you still have provided no proof that oil played any part in the US decision to intervene militarily.

    I have not gone off the deep end, but when I make several posts explaining why oil was not a relevant factor in the situation, and then you show up an state that it is without providing even so much as a reason. Well, that ticked me off, so I let you have it. You have thick skin, and I am sure you will get over it.

    I guess we are very much alike, although I think you are more left leaning, while I am more right leaning. I don't consider myself a Republican and will vote for whomever I think is the best candidate. I don't often agree with Obama, but I do like the way he handled the Libya situation. And I am not a democrat/communist/socialist. Just because I agree with Obama doesn't make me a democrat. And that is the problem with Republicans, they never agree with any democrats, even when the democrats are right. I can agree with Obama on this issue because he is right.

    However, my characterization of the democrats on this forum was spot on. Everyone of them are radical left wing nut jobs. I thought you were the only moderate democrat, but now that you have disclosed that you are an independent, I guess that makes me more right. If you would like to convince me that oil did play a role in the decision to use military force, I am all ears.
     
  5. craig a

    craig a New Member

    Bottom line. When a President(any President) says no ground troops. That means ground troops. I'll retract this statement if the end turns out differently.
     
  6. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    I would still like to know how BO justifies taking this action & toppling this dictator when he has been so proud & vocal in his oppostion to such action in the past.
     
  7. CoinOKC
    Yeehaw

    CoinOKC T R U M P 2 0 2 4

    It's because Obama is a hypocrite. That could be one of the reasons his poll numbers are sinking like the Titanic.
     
  8. craig a

    craig a New Member

    Well you ought to know.
     
  9. craig a

    craig a New Member

    He did it for you. Had he done nothing; you'd be calling him a pu$$y.
     
  10. clembo

    clembo Well-Known Member

    Yep, I'm over it LOL.
    As for the oil issue I don't believe I ever stated it written in stone. I'm not going to provide a bunch of evidence because frankly I doubt I'll find it. If I DID take the time to find "evidence" it would be suspect at this point anyway.
    So why do I think it might play a part?
    Europe is the simple answer and that involves our European allies.

    Why would I say this? I go back to Desert Storm under George Bush H.W. Bush. Iraq invaded Kuwait. The response was immediate with a lot of backing by the Allies. French and British being the strongest.
    Quick, efficient and a lot of oil involved.

    Then, years later we had 9/11. George W. Bush at the helm. Going back to Iraq and Afghnistan but not near the support we had in round one. Sure there is some support from allies but under the circumstances and "questionable" circumstances the allies didn't seem to want to jump in too hard for round two.
    Why is this different? In my opinoin (and it's only an opinion) our allies (mainly European) have no real desire to get involved in these messes.

    So now we have Libya. We jumped in for humanitarian reasons when we could jump in for humanitarian reasons on so many other fronts.
    So why just Libya?

    To save face (and perhaps get support in the future) from our European allies. That oil may not affect us that much but it certainly affects the Europeans. In short, helping them out can help us out in the future.

    One might also note that the French and British were there from day one to lend air support. The French went in first just like Desert Storm. Coincidence?



    BINGO!
    We do think alike on many occasions and yes I lean left while you lean right.
    Sorry, but I DID toss a few comments in my response earlier just to irritate you. The Democrat/Communist/Socialist for sure.
    The point of my making such a remark just reflects on the crap I see on a daily basis and especially on PRWE.
    You dared agree with Presidnet Obama therefore you must be a Socialist/Communist. I know it's not true.
    I did this to illustrate how stupid it has become.


    I wouldn't call your charaterization of the democrats on this forum as spot on especially since you called them communists in another thread. The terms Socialist and Communist are tossed about way too often. Not just here on PRWE but in general.
    Scary words used by scared people. Doesn't matter if it's right or wrong just use those words. Really disgusts me honestly.

    Think about this one would you Lehigh? If I'm an Independent and Jack and Stu Joe and yourself are that leaves only two groups on this forum. Left wing nut job and right wing nut job.

    If the left are Communist what are the right?

    Finally,

    I'll leave you with a thread I started some time ago. Look at the responses.
    I find it interesting that the "usual suspects" did as most here would expect. That being ignore the thread and make an assinine statement.
    No thought. Just react and attack.


    http://www.prweforum.com/politics/29279-if-prwe-formed-hockey-team~.html
     
  11. CoinOKC
    Yeehaw

    CoinOKC T R U M P 2 0 2 4

    So, craig a, I presume that if you can't respond to the initial statement (you haven't yet and I doubt you will give a coherent answer) and you disagree with an acknowledgement, your reaction is to act immature. Well child, the Sesame Street forum might have some openings so why don't you check them out? Your infantile rantings would fit right in with Big Bird and Oscar the Grouch.
     
  12. craig a

    craig a New Member

    Such a grand attempt to make one look small. Man you do go on and on and on and on. There's alot to be said for brevity. But you'd rather show everyone how witty you are. Imagine a politican that is hypocritical. When you discover that yellow and and blue make green, you can announce that too.
     
  13. craig a

    craig a New Member

    ''The next time you're alone, please feel free to copulate with everyone in the room.''-CoinOKC. A more mature way to respond to something.
     
  14. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    That is just a dumb comment
     
  15. craig a

    craig a New Member

    And yet you dont deny it. Would you be praising him if he had done nothing? And continued to do nothing? Hurry up and answer. C'mon, dont wait for the translation.
     
  16. CoinOKC
    Yeehaw

    CoinOKC T R U M P 2 0 2 4

    Craig a, you still haven't responded to David's statement. Still waiting to see what feeble attempt you'll come up with..........................
     
  17. CoinOKC
    Yeehaw

    CoinOKC T R U M P 2 0 2 4

    Why, craig a, I'm flattered that you find my remarks so quotable! You must think a lot of me. Do me a favor though and keep your hands to yourself.
     
  18. neverlost

    neverlost New Member

    I hope they catch Gadaffyduck alive so that he can be given a fair trial and quickly hanged.
     
  19. craig a

    craig a New Member

    Youre not flattered. Youre being a_____...well you fill in the blank. Funny you quoting my statement to make an asinine statement asking not to be quoted. Explain how telling Lehigh to go screw himself is more mature than me claiming you should know about hypocrisy.
     
  20. craig a

    craig a New Member

    I dont know which statement you mean.
     

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