Should gays be allowed to be ordained?

How do you see anything with your head so far up Moen's ass?

 

I'm confused. I don't see that Moen has even posted in this thread. Is there something I've missed or is IQless's alleged head-up-Moen's-assness something you see as just kind of a general thing?

 

I think everyone here is an idiot and disagree with every single one of them as much as possible. It is the best way not to be lumped in as 'one of them'.

 

Every comment you make to me seems to be centered around an ass... are you hitting on me still? 'No' means 'no!'

 

Funny. I had the same problem with him.

 

Hey, who R u callin iodit. an Y r youse talkin bout sex with lumping.

 

You would think that this would be the opinion of the average Christian...

 

Re: Sexual abuse of children: The church is huge and only a small percentage of the many priests in it have ever abused children or anyone else... The ones who did though did it over and over and over again and the Church had not the understanding or the will to deal with them appropriately.

All priests in the Catholic church, regardless of sexual orientation, are expected to be celebate as that is their vow. Active Homosexuals are not allowed in the priesthood Active Hetrosexuals are not allowed in it either. Sex is forboden. That does not mean that it does not occur it just means that it is hushed up when adults have sex with each other and all hell breaks loose if it ever comes into the eyes of the public.

 

These are the type of decisions that should be left up to the church themselves. By church meaning - Catholics, Methodist and etc. Then based on their position on these type of moral issues - I'll decide if that is a church I want to be a member of.

 

This totally makes sense to me. When it comes to religion, "should" and "shouldn't" get to be problematic, which is one reason they are always disagreeing with each other.

As for as ordination goes, I don't have a horse in that race and so the question for me is academic. As you say, let each church or denomination ordain (and sanctify the marriages of) who it will. What goes on between believers and their god is not my business nor is it, generally speaking, that of the state. And just as the state should not interfere with the practice of religion it is not the job of the state to support any religion or impose any religion or religious position on society as a whole.

 

You probably know this better than I do, but I think that merely identifying as gay disqualifies a man from becoming a priest, even though gay men can be as celibate as straight ones and being gay is not the same thing as being someone who rapes children.

 

The Catholic Church needs a cleaning. I would be careful to attack gays as the source of the problem for the problem just might be that sexual preverts who were gay were enabled by the leadership that aided and abeted. Lets face it most people straight or gay when they look at a cute kid see a cute kid. It is the few that see something else that we all have to watch out for in our schools, parks. doctor's officers everywhere.

 

My question is why would a gay person want to be ordained in a faith that casts them out anyway? If their religion says homosexuality is wrong, then how do they reconcile it? Find a denomination that is more inviting. Granted I'm not Christian nor do I lend much weight to the western concept of reality anyway. So my thinking may be a little different than some.

 

I've asked the same question over and over again and gotten a number of different answers. One thing I've found is that people can be amazingly attached to their denomination even though it condemns them. I don't understand it. It's like being a simple follower of Christ isn't enough. You have to have buried under a bunch of dogma and rules and rituals like a pea under a mattress.

 

P.S. I'm not really defending Republicans, a group I simply cannot abide, but attempting satire on sterotypes of any kind. I thought all the priests were gay.

 

It is not true that being gay disqualifies you from being a Roman Catholic priest. A gay man is able to enter seminary if he is not actively participating in a same-sex relationship and if he has not been "habitually compelled" to participate in a same-sex relationship for a minimum of three years. I would imagine that there are post-acceptance interviews or monitoring of some nature of any person considered "at risk" in his freshman year at seminary. A gay man is not restricted from receiving or administering the Sacraments and, if research I recently did for a writing project is still correct, a fair percentage of priests are openly gay. One of the priests who died in the 9/11 attacks--and who is considered a hero for his actions--was openly gay.

I honestly don't see a problem with demanding celibacy from people in same-sex relationships. Any person that is not married and is a member of the Catholic or Orthodox Church is expected to be celibate, priest or not. Interesting, it is not sexuality or celibacy that is the leading cause of attrition for RC priests--according to research done by Fr. Andrew Greeley (yes, that Andrew Greeley) the leading cause is a combination of loneliness and the feeling of being unappreciated.

Oh, and of course being gay is not the same thing as being someone who rapes children. Pedophiles are those who rape children. They exist in 2% of the population, regardless of profession or sexuality.