Told you so...

You are HALF correct...you will ONLY obtain "peace" in islam when you "submit and surrender yourself" to their Allah.

You conviently forgot this important part...Here are the facts:

The Arabic term 'islam means "submission" and itself comes from the term 'aslama, which means "to surrender, resign oneself." In Islam, the fundamental duty of every muslim is to submit to their Allah (Arabic for "the God") and whatever Allah wants of them. A person who follows Islam is called a Muslim, and this means "one who surrenders to God."

It is thus clear that the concept of submission to the will, desires, and commands and God is inextricably linked to Islam as a religion — it's an inherent part of the name of the religion, of the religion's followers, and of the basic tenets of Islam.

To be a "true" muslim, you must not only submit and surrender to their Allah and Sharia Law, but you also must take it a step further which is to convert, tax, ensalve and/or FIGHT non-believers with any means possible.

Hence the reason why "true" muslim animals behave as they do!

If you don't, well that is the islamic hell they are causing on this Earth.

 

Midas,you are incorrect to say that true Muslims support terrorism.I get on very well with the Somali community,as they are a very hard working people who do a lot of good.

In fact,I have more time for Muslims & Jews than I would for Roman Catholics (especially those of Irish descent).

Aidan.

 

Islamists 'urge young Muslims to use violence'

By Tom Harper - Last Updated: 1:59am BST 10/01/2007

An extremist Islamist group, which remains legal despite Government promises to ban it, has urged Muslim students at British universities to fight Allied troops in Iraq.

Hizb ut Tahrir, which wants to overthrow democracy and establish a worldwide Islamic theocracy, distributed leaflets to young Muslims inciting them to resist the occupation of Islamic lands, according to a TV documentary by a former group member.

One leaflet read: "Your forefathers destroyed the first crusader campaigns. Should you not proceed like them and destroy the new crusaders?

"Let the armies move to help the Muslims in Iraq, for they seek your help." Another leaflet, handed out last August, pours scorn on the UN and tells followers to embark on a Jihad, or "holy war".

Former Hizb ut Tahrir member Shiraz Maher presents his account of the group's activities in an edition of Panorama on BBC1 tomorrow night.

Tony Blair promised to ban the organisation after the July 7 London bombings but Labour has since claimed there is not enough evidence to demonstrate Hizb ut Tahrir is violent.

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Tony...just read the koran. The proof is all in there...

Told you so!

 

One countries terrorist is an other countries freedom fighter.

Some notes:

1) Not all muslims are bad

2) Not all muslims are out to get ya

3) There is alot of info that is not known to the public and hidden by the gonvernment. Scare tactics have been used since probably the beggining of time. Russia is going to nuke us, cuba is going to nuke us (with russion nukes) russia is using non accounstic/accoustic subs. Those are just a few of the scare tactics and if I really reseacched it I could probably find more that date back to roman times and even prior to that with the hate that ws supposivly agaisnt jesus and others.

4) Do you really think the full truth of 911 is out with all the info that is contradicting itself abut terrorist and such. I think what happend that day did its job. (note: I am sadden by the loss of life that happend that day )

5) Not all muslims hate us

6) Heard mention of the Koran... from my understanding there hasn't been a true decypher of the language/text in the Koran since its an old language/text that hasnt been used for awhile so who knows if its been twisted or interpreted wrong

7) extension of #6... How you interpret any biblical writings is up to the individual but the problem is that people think that that their way is the right way thus pushing it on others. I have a name for this its called CULTS. and YES christian, catholic and some of teh bigger religions can fall into this catogory.

8) I have read a good portion of this thread and wow can't belive the negativity agaisnt each other. What is shown in this thread is an exact reason why the world is at war. There is those people that think that their way is the only way and try and push it on others. I pretty much hate the way the world is. I live by the rule that if what I do only affects my self and not others then by all means do it. But as soon as it affacts others and I would have to say in a negative way then it should be stopped.

 

I'm afraid facts prove otherwise. Muslims are growing in population (worldwide) and when they cannot change the new environment/area of which they settle to "Muslim Tolerable" they tend to get rowdy/dangerous. Soon churches are banned and household/religious practices in competition with Islam so-to-speak are forbidden.

You can be sure that every lost freedom in a transformed Islamic Society has to be won back in battle. Just ask the Serbs, we have many members here who are Serbian in heritage and HAD a home, a church, and a graveyard one time...

There are no elections when these freedoms are taken. And when you follow the teachings of a 7th Century raving madman, the prospects are no good either...

 

Ben,true Muslims are not evil people as wrongly portrayed.Last week,I attended a Sukkot service which had members from my church & from the mosque's congregation in addition to the Reform Jewish congregation.The service was led by a very cuddly American-born female Rabbi.Yes,there is such a thing as a female Rabbi.

Aidan.

 

No Aidan, as usual you're incorrect. I've lived in Saudi Arabia and have seen the Truest Muslims in their native land and dude, they HATE anything and anyone that is not ISLAM.

You'd rather go into the "All Black's Clubhouse" drunk and dressed as a "Quantas Wallaby" singing "God Save The Queen" before you'd want to even mention Jesus Christ or Rabbi (whatever) Watson or Shebazz on a street in Riyadh...

 

I will be more than happy to address your points:

 

WOW


You are brainwashed!!!!!!!!!

btw that picture of the guy holding the koran, that is not a true koran. That in itself is proof that not all TRUE muslims as you so call are evil. Also I live in a city (London, Ontario) that is one of the fastest growing communities for gays, muslims and other cultures. I have many TRUE muslim friends that follow teh Korna and are not out to deceive me, are not terrorists and basically just want to live their life in peace and left alone.

Next 911, whos proof is that, the american governemnts, sorry have to laugh at that. For all we know it could have been a white person yelling out all that crap to make it look like that. Unless you have 100% proof which there has never been. GG

It was a nice try though and most of your points are mute

GG

And btw do you read your history or are you just in denial. Do you know anything about christianity, the crusades and the origins of the KKK lol.

I think that mutes your whole point about show you an other eligion that has done nasty stuff.

again

GG

All I have to say is that they really got ya in their pocket which is their whole plan. You so worried about it you constantly researching it and such. Yep 100% of interenet info is real lol.

I saw a cat that could actually talk english the other day and told me he wanted tender vittles or he was going to kill all white men. Must be true

And finally nothing you can say can change my opinion , just like most likely nothing I saw will change yours. Its one of those agree to disagree things. To bad most of society just cant live by that be a way better place. But when it takes over your life and you sit their and have to argue it all the time is when you loose.

 

Just living in Canada, doesn't make you a canadian, any more than sleeping with pigs makes you a swine. But fella, you sure have a head start on falling into one of their traps and I for one, wouldn't put it past you to be carrying a bomb or two before they get through with you.
Oh by the way, thanks for collecting those type of people all in one place. You should be very happy in your choice of residence.

 

And you sir are a war monging man of hate. You are just as bad as the people you despise so much. Spreading hate,fear, lies, propaganda and such. Same with Midas.


I think you guys really need to look in the mirror.


They say they hate you. You say you hate them.

Can you see the difference, I can't.

And yes I am a Canadian, I was born in canada along with my family and their family (actually part native), lived here my whole life, pay taxes and support my community. So yeah umm I am a canadian.

And btw if any country came into Canada starting bull crap there going to get a lot more then bombs being wizzed at them. These so called terrorists you so worried about would look like well behaved school children when I am done if anyone tried to take my land, my resources or kill my family.

Just the stuff I have thought up makes half the crap that I see look like a sham because I know I could deal alot worse then what these so called terrorists that have all your panties in a bunch are doing.


Anyways have fun with your dillusions

GG

 

Midas,you don't know anything about Islam,apart from the extremely warped interpretation.Ben,what is practiced in Saudi Arabia is also not genuine Islam either.Wahhabism is a warped interpretation similar to that of the Taliban.I do agree with the Iranians on one thing - how & why they put subhuman faggots to death by the Saddam Hussein treatment.

Aidan.

 

Quite the opposite, I am on the side of friendship and harmony. I've had my share of warfare and leave the chest pounding to you young pups.

I know what they say, and now I would like to have you show me where you think I hate anyone. Especially where I 'said' I hated them!

I have found the Canadians are generally very nice people. Why don't you stop and start acting like one?

Well GG, you may well be the toughest lad north of the border, but I've seen people like you 'pi$$ in their pants when faced with real danger. You might also want to be talking to someone who cares, if you expect to get any further answers to your $tupid posts.

 

1) Young pup lol. So I guess us young people can't reason and make our own opinions.

2) "Oh by the way, thanks for collecting those type of people all in one place." If that isn't a hateful comment then what is. Could be an assumption but the way you and midas talk I doubt it.

3) We are very nice people. I know I am one of those and again you are generalizing a person by its culture just like you do the muslims. And the meanest thing I have said is that you are a war monging man of hate. I guess that makes me very very evil lol.

4) Like me. You don't even know me and you can't even assume to know me. That exactly the problem with you folks. You make to many assumptions.

5) Stupid posts? Just like you have an opinion I have an opinion!!!!!! That like there is no stupid question!!!! For you to say that my posts are stupid shows how hateful and low you really and that your mind is clamped so shut that it can't even reason from paranoia and dillusions. As soon as you start saying something is stupid you have cast a judgement and judgements like that start wars!!!!!!!

GG

 

The facts, the 1,400 year history, the life and deeds of their founding prophet are VERY clear.

I love how muslim apologists state that this is not the "true" koran that is driving muslim animals to act as they do. You can read can't you? Ask your muslim friends to renouce all of the passages of hate and fighting that can be easily found in ANY koran:

Want an example to ask them about?

How about asking them to renounce this garbage? Let's see if they have guts to do so!

Instructions to Muslims regarding Christians and Jews

The terrorist prophet mohammed has reserved special position for certain sects of Unbelievers in his so called "Holy Book" koran. Those unbelievers are none other than followers of Christianity and Judaism. I have selected a few verses from the koran for you apologists to display what Muslims are taught and instructed as far as treating Christians and Jews is concerned.

Koran 5:51 Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.

In this verse Prophet Mohammed is clearly instructing his followers never to befriend a Christian or a Jew. Because if they take a Christian or a Jew as a friend, they will commit a wrong deed and Allah's wrath will be on them.

Koran 5:57 Believers, do not seek the friendship of the infidels and those who were given the Book before you, who have made your religion a jest and a pasttime...

Here "those who were given the Book before you" refers to Christians and Jews. Once again Mohammed is warning Muslims of all time never to befriend a Christian or a Jew.

Koran 5:64 The Jews say: 'God's hand is chained.' May their own hands be chained! May they be cursed for what they say!...

In the above verse Prophet Mohammed is showing his deep respect for the Jews.

Koran 9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.

Here 'People of the Book' refers to Christians and Jews. The 'Religion Of Truth' refers to Islam. So in the above verse Prophet Mohammed is instructing Muslims to fight and torture Christians and Jews (who do not believe in Islamic version of God) until they pay tax to Muslims for their existence. Muslims are also strictly instructed to make the Christians and Jews feel 'subdued'. Allah is truly benign !!!

Koran 9:30 The Jews call 'Uzayr-a son of God', and the Christinas call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are decluded away from the Truth.

Here Prophet Mohammed is wishing that Allah's curse be on Jews and Christians. And what did the Christians and Jews do for such special favour from Allah ? All they did is that out of respect and love, they called their Prophets 'son of God'.

So ask your muslim buddies to renounce just 'some' of this hate that millions and millions of 'true' muslims follow to the letter of mohammad's commands...which is leading to a global jihad that MUST be dealt with like a cancer invading a healthy human body.

 

Just for our Canadian socialist friend...MORE proof that "true" islam is the cancer of the world:

Mosque (muslim) says to avoid Western holidays

Stewart Bell - National Post - Wednesday, October 03, 2007

TORONTO - A Toronto mosque is telling Muslims not to say "Happy Thanksgiving" or invite friends into their homes for turkey dinner on the holiday weekend.

The Khalid Bin Al-Walid Mosque says to "avoid participating" in dinners, parties or greetings on Thanksgiving because it is a kuffaar, or non-Muslim, celebration.

A two-part article on the mosque Web site says Muslims should also "stay completely away" from "Halloween trick-and treat nonsense," Christmas, New Year's, anniversaries, birthdays and Earth Day.

"How can we bring ourselves to congratulate or wish people well for their disobedience to Allah? Thus expressions such as:Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Birthday, Happy New Year, etc, are completely out," it says.

In 2003, the Khalid mosque, which mainly serves the Toronto Somali-Canadian community, apologized for a newsletter that compared wishing someone a Merry Christmas to congratulating a murderer.

At the time, a junior employee was blamed for the slight, but the mosque's Web site has since posted similar edicts covering not only Christmas but also virtually every other Western celebration.

Muslims who participate in the holidays are termed ignorant and hypocritical.

While not all are religious holidays, the Internet site says Muslims are required to be different from non-Muslims "in matters which are representative of them or are characteristic of their identity."

Also banned, it says, are: watching sports or soap operas, walking dogs, family photos, wedding bands, Western hats, mingling and shaking hands with the opposite sex.

"Allah and his messenger have warned us against following or imitating non-Muslims in things which are characteristic of their religion or beliefs. This is more emphasized in the case of their eids [festivals] or occasions, which always hold some religious or ideological non-Islamic meanings, and on which the kuffaar indulge in many evil practices."

The Web site also has a question-and-answer section, which advises that Muslims can join political parties only if they are "able to exert some influence on the direction of the party so that it will take an Islamic direction."

Elsewhere in the Q&A section, it says that, "with strong determination and patience, the world will God-willing be under the Muslims' control."

The mosque is run by a federally registered charity. Rival factions within the Somali Muslim community are fighting in court for control of the charity. The mosque president could not be reached yesterday.

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Told you so!

 

wow midas you are extra special in the department of dillusions.


Just like I don't celebrate any muslim holidays or ways of doing things these people are just saying don't do these things or you are not following of our true way. Their leaders telling them to not support thanksgiving, halloween is their decision and really was never part of their culture so makes total sense. Also, how does that Toronto news effect anyone in a negative way? It doesn't!!!!!

You told you so statement at the end is a joke at best!!!!!


Next you going to tell me that Rastafarians are terrorists too since in their documents it says to not follow edren men ways which is western philosophies, taking western medications and many many other things.

Love how hate mongers like to twist what is being said to their own ends to promate hate and fear.

Nothing you could ever say or show could change my opinion!!!!!!!!!



btw last post here in this thread since it is moronic as much as the hate mongers in it. Have fun spreading your hate and fear but unfortunatly I have my armor + 1000000000 hp vs bull**** on.

GG

 

More proof that islam is a terrorist religion:

Cambodian Fisherman’s arm cut off in religious (Islamic) attack.

(AP) We made our way to the Queen Sirigit Hospital in Sattahip on Wednesday Night to report on a serious fight which had taken place between two groups of Cambodian Fishermen. One group were Buddhists and the other were Muslims and were known to have fought on many other occasions due to their religious beliefs.

On Wednesday Night, the fighting resulted in a serious injury to Mr. Loy a Cambodian Buddhist whose arm was cut off by a Cambodian Muslim armed with a long knife. The severed arm was recovered and packed in ice and the man was rushed to the operating room where doctors attempted to attach the arm. Doctors tell us the success of the reattachment will be known in the coming days.

Police are investigating and are currently locating the suspected attacker.

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Told you so!

 

Midas,you really are warped.It isn't Islam that is the cancer of the world,but Roman Catholicism is.

The Pope of Rome's idolatrous & extremely bigoted cult has caused more trouble in this world than any genuine Islamic organisation has.Even as late as 1996,there was slavery in Ireland in which young women were used as forced labour in the Cult of Rome's laundries.Women have far fewer rights in a country that has a Romish majority such as Ireland.Protestants & Jews are often subjected to intimidation & physical attack.In 1910,10% of Ireland's population belonged to a Protestant religion.Today,this has decreased to 2 or 3%.To me,that is a form of genocide.A majority of Irish Protestants have fled to the 4 countries of the U.K.,& to other parts of the British Commonwealth.Very very few of them ever return to Ireland.

Here's proof of how hateful the Cult of Rome really is,especially in Ireland; www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk & www.victims.org.uk .

Aidan.

 

Aidan, the discussion is about Islam, not Ireland, Ulster, or the Romish Pope. Stop acting like a WANKER...