Discussion in 'Politics' started by CoinBlazer, Oct 16, 2020 at 2:42 PM.

  1. CoinBlazer

    CoinBlazer de omnibus dubitandum

    Any guesses or hopes on who runs for POTUS in 2024? Anyone that the Dems or Republicans stirring up for a possible run? I think the GOP might have a bit of a mess trying to make a good primary season in 2024 considering that Trump had very little GOP opposition to his nomination this season around.
    Whether Trump wins or loses, the GOP will need to start stirring the pot for 2024 soon to see how they will adapt after Trump Era GOP, while if Biden wins, Kamala will have serious opportunities for a 2024 nomination.
    Spill your thoughts my friends...
  2. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    Mayor Pete maybe?
  3. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Oh God, assuming Biden/Harris lose it's gonna be Klobuchar and Pete isn't it.

    If they win, Harris/Pete.

    As for the Republicans, I think we know they only have 1 realistic option:

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  4. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    I would agree that Jeb is ready to make a solid run. I believe Ted Cruz still has his eyes on the prize. Sure would like to see Nikki Haley make a run for it. Probably still too early in her political career though.
  5. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    I've seen a few political writers talking about Haley making a run soon as the face of the new and younger Republicans. It could happen.
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  6. JoeNation

    JoeNation Patron Saint of Idiots

    I don't fear Trump's second term nearly as much as I fear his 3rd or 4th term.

    Harris will probably be the nominee but then again, there has to be a primary to decide who the nominee will be in both parties. I'd say Harris/O'Rourke and on the other side Christie/Desantis.

    The Republicans will be fractured beyond the point of winning by 2024.
  7. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    I almost want the senate to flip and trump to win
  8. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    She would make a great leader regardless of the platform she ran on.
  9. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

  10. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    I don’t think so . . . Job Bush is another milquetoast candidate like Mitt Romney.

    While I dislike his demeanor, Donald Trump proved to us that the Republican Party must fight fire with fire. If the Liberal media are going to fabricate stories out of thin air - and, unpunished for their misdeeds they’ll never stop - they must be set back on their heels for doing so. Bush and Romney don’t have that in them.

    Harder charging, but still principled candidates are needed to neutralize the undue influence the media bring to politics . . . I think of Newt Gingrich right away, but feel he’ll be too old. I think Ted Cruz would be the next strongest candidate.
  11. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    You see, what you underestimate is how Jeb resonates with young people across party lines by virtue of being a meme and a generally awkward person.

  12. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    More seriously though, what happened to Paul Ryan? Wasn't he supposedly up and coming on his way to the presidency?
  13. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    I could easily vote for him if he won the primary, but I wouldn't choose him over a more assertive candidate with the same values.
  14. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    wasn't he the guy who grew up on social security who wants to cut others off from it?
  15. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    He didn't exactly grow up on Social Security benefits. He began receiving them when he lost his father at 16, and banked them to pay for college. He didn't waste the benefits like the 18 year old tart I worked with who lost her dad, bought a Camaro with the benefits, and totaled it in a stupor.

    Ryan did not want to cut others off from Social Security He wanted to privatize some of it, delay eligibility for retirement benefits, and scale back benefits based on the earnings of all but the lowest 30% of retiree incomes.

    Liberals refuse to acknowledge that the program is headed for insolvency because they enjoy using conservative efforts to save it as a political cudgel.

    What're you gonna do when it finally implodes, geniuses?
  16. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Interesting . . . But conservatives just can’t take the chance that Jeb would end up running against Bernie. He’s no less goofy, and promises all the “freebies“ that youngsters are just uninformed enough to think are really free.
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  17. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    what a weak backpedaling response. HAHAHAHAHA
  18. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    “wasn't he the guy who grew up on social security who wants to cut others off from it?”

    Couldn’t leave well enough alone, eh? . . . What a lie . . . HAHAHAHAHAHA
  19. JohnHamilton

    JohnHamilton Well-Known Member

    Paul Ryan stabbed the Republicans in the back when he was Speaker of the House during Trump's first to year's. He is dead politically. He's almost as unpopular as Mitt Romney, who is toast after his Senate term ends.

    Ditto for Jeb Bush. Very few Republicans want a continuation of the Bush dynasty. His brother left office in disgrace. After the Bush family endorsed Hillary in 2016, they effectively left the party. Remaining dormant during the election is one thing. Endorsing the devil is another.

    As for who will run, Tim Scott of South Carolina could be in the mix. Tom Cotton might make a go of it. If he survives his current senate race, Linsey Graham might be a candidate. Win or lose, Trump is finished after 2020.
  20. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    Will seniors and their families miss Paul Ryan in the U.S. Congress? Not a chance. His impending retirement lifts a dark cloud that has hung over older Americans – not to mention the poor, sick, and disabled – for nearly two decades. Speaker Ryan has spent his 11 terms on Capitol Hill fighting to enrich the wealthy and powerful, while undermining programs that serve as a lifeline for America’s most vulnerable citizens.

    As America’s Privatizer-in-Chief, he spearheaded attempts to turn Medicare into a voucher program and to gamble retirees’ Social Security benefits on the whims of Wall Street. He passed legislation in the House to cut more than $1 trillion from Medicaid by imposing per capita caps and turning it into a block grant program. If the Senate had passed it, too, millions of low income Americans would have lost health coverage, according to projections by the Congressional Budget Office. At the end of last year, Speaker Ryan muscled-through the Trump/GOP tax giveaway to the rich and profitable corporations, inviting deep cuts to seniors’ earned benefits. “We’re going to have to get back next year [2018] at entitlement reform,” he said last December, “which is how you tackle the debt and the deficit.”

    Here is a man who has been downright giddy while championing Scrooge-like policies from his powerful perch in Washington. In 2017, he gloated about gutting Medicaid in the House bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act. “This is why I’m so excited about it… We are de-federalizing an entitlement, block-granting it back to the states, and capping its growth rate. That’s never been done before,” he told a conservative radio host. Ryan boasted at a National Review forum that he had been “dreaming” of cutting federal Medicaid funds “since you and I were drinking at a keg” – barely able to contain his glee about stripping health coverage from poor people.

    Paul Ryan was never a traditional fiscal hawk in the mold of old school Republicans. His fondness for slashing the social safety net while cutting taxes for the rich wasn’t just a matter of dollars and cents. An acolyte of Ayn Rand’s ‘philosophy of selfishness,’ Ryan’s disdain for the poor or anyone who relied on federal benefits to survive was deeply ideological.

    “He… justified his agenda in moral terms, speaking frequently about ‘makers’ (i.e., people who work and earn good incomes) and ‘takers’ (i.e., lazy people who subsist on government assistance).” – Huffington Post, 4/11/18

    At the same time, he was blatantly hypocritical, at least on Social Security. In 2005, he backed President George W. Bush’s plan to privatize the program and risk retirees’ payroll contributions on the stock market. It’s a position he continued to hold as presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s running mate in 2012 — and during his two-and-a-half years as Speaker. Yet the Speaker himself was a ‘taker’ when he collected Social Security survivor’s benefits after his father died when Ryan was 16. He saved up his Social Security checks to pay for college tuition, but somehow doesn’t see the irony in advocating policies that would compromise other Americans’ ability to collect their own earned benefits.

    Like other ideologues, Ryan cloaked his attempts to undermine Social Security and Medicare as “preserving” or “saving” them for future generations. He repeatedly insisted that these programs were going “bankrupt,” when, in fact, there are common sense measures that could keep both trust funds solvent for decades to come – without cutting benefits or raising eligibility ages. But during Ryan’s Speakership, legislation to do just that never made it the floor, including bills from Rep. John Larson (D-CT) and others that would boost benefits while infusing Social Security with new revenue – or measures to allow Medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices with pharmaceutical companies.

    Ryan tried to divide the generations by vowing that any “reforms” to earned benefits wouldn’t affect current retirees – only younger folks like him, ignoring the fact that stagnant wages make it impossible for today’s workers to save enough for retirement to make up for cuts in Social Security benefits.

    Thanks to the vigilance of America’s seniors and their advocates, Ryan’s fight to gut the social safety net has fizzled – so far. But he remains as Speaker until the end of the 115th Congress and doesn’t wish to see his quest end in failure.

    how embarrassing for lil toughie


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