A question on equality of employment...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by charley, Mar 21, 2024.

  1. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    ....as it applies to student debt cancellation:

    Are Physicians and Nurses and Attorneys that serve the Public (and they of course do, by any logic posit), considered as serving the Public, as it applies to student debt? The employment Classes that are having the debt cancelled in the latest POTUS Loan Forgiveness Declaration, get paid, and there are a hell of a lot of the persons in those Classes that are paid more than Physicians and Nurses, and will not receive the debt cancellation simply because they are not employed by Federal/State/Municipalities.

    And don't get me started on whether or not the Loan was a Federal funded student loan and that it is not eligible if it was changed to a private lender, as in the case of Fed Loans at 9% when the private sector conversion was 3-6%, or education level, i.s. no Fed funding for higher education in those Fields...which is BS because the Loan Forgiveness applies to individuals that did go to Med/Law School etc. did so on various DOD/Public Departments.

    For those that think the Classes i am referring to are all Millionaires or in the top earning category, I have a long list of examples to offer that would support Baloney.
  2. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    This is an appeal to a voting black that is far more familiar with the names of American Idol stars than they are with the Speaker of the House's name. Another vote grab at my expense. We are so far removed from what our elected government was meant to be. Sorry to go off track...
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  3. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    It is not off track at all. In fact it reinforces my thoughts.
    Yes, Nurses as public employees are included. BUT (there is always a "but"), NPs and PAs are not, and then private practice Nurses.....

    BTW, is that a clever Freudian slip of the posit "If you aint black you didn't vote for me..."?
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  4. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

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  5. justafarmer

    justafarmer Well-Known Member

    There is no consideration of fairness to student loan forgiveness. The Biden Administration is going to exploit any and all fissures they discover in the law to frack for votes.
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  6. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    This is not a question of equal employment.

    This is purely a question of equal opportunity.

    Those who opted to take out student loans (yes, including myself) had the same opportunity as those who opted not to.

    Those who opted not to borrow chose from other options . . .
    • Pursuing / attaining scholarships
    • Working for the school
    • Working for another employer while going to school
    • Deciding to save for their education before committing to it
    • Deciding the advanced education wasn’t worth the sacrifice they’d be making
    We all looked at the candidate institutions, their value propositions, and the means by which we could “afford” to attend. We are all unique, and the lens through which each of us evaluated the possibilities laid before us varied infinitely, or seemingly so. We all made choices, some more thoughtful, some less, but they were our choices, just like getting married, just like having children, and just like the other defining choices we make in our lives.

    That so many today are the targets of Biden’s forgiveness is reflective more of the Democrat party’s willingness to bribe young voters than it is of some newfound victimhood. While it may be true that an education is more costly today, and that there are more folks deeper in debt in recent years, it also seems more were convinced to advance their educations against what should have been their better judgment.

    These students are victims of their own choices. Much like those in earlier generations who also found themselves drowning in student loan debt, they overcommitted. The American People do not own that.

    All people, regardless of their occupation, are entitled to repay their college debt.
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  7. What U ignore

    What U ignore Thread KILLER

    This is just another ILLEGAL attempt to win votes and divide our country BY THE MARXISTS running this corrupt old clown's administration.
  8. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    I am probably interpreting incorrectly, and I ask to be excused in advance, if I did so.
    Having read your opinion, I interpret you do not grasp the soul of my Post.
  9. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    I think I got the gist of your post @charley . . . While you appear to be calling for equality of all occupations in terms of having their student loan debt forgiven, I am opposed to forgiving student loan debt at all, regardless of occupation / employer.

    If debt resolution comes from anywhere, it should come out of the coffers of the colleges / universities that did an outstanding job of selling their product and a crummy job of delivering it.
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  10. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    But in the end…. Aren’t the bumps and bruises we sustain in life what makes us better people in the end? As a young man I got myself in deep with a credit card. Nobody offered to bail me out. And if someone would have bailed me out I likely would have mismanaged credit my entire life. If we keep these young people sheltered then what happens when we are gone and they haven’t earned their life toolbox? That’s the real tragedy here.
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  11. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    It's very clear you haven't been to college in decades.

    Scholarships: many with student loan debt have them. It's not possible to get the entirety of tuition covered by them except for a very small number of people

    Working for the school: I actually did this route to avoid many loans, but it doesn't cover it in it's entirety, and I got very lucky to get a position that allowed this. Student jobs don't do this, you have to have a professional full time job which makes it hard to take classes and usually requires a degree in the first place.

    Working for another employer while going to school: are you suggesting you can pay tuition with excess income? It's not possible, especially for someone of typical college age.

    Deciding to save for their education before committing to it: how long will it take to build a savings around 100,000-150,000 using only jobs that don't require advanced training or a college degree?

    Deciding the advanced education wasn’t worth the sacrifice they’d be making: sure, but you have to accept that instead you're sacrificing access to a substantial portion of the job pool (and an even higher portion of the well paying job pool).
  12. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    No, that is not what I was calling for. It is my failure for emphasizing the "British" method of symbolic disdain in a satirical manner, with a bit too much emphasis, I guess.

    Oh well, I failed again. SHE was right....one day somebody is going to punch me in my brain.

    In my defense, I did sign the SAS Book in 80, to get my neat Tie, so there. Now that you have mocked me via implying I thought something when I didn't, I am going to wear it at Mass on Easter and pray for your Soul.
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  13. justafarmer

    justafarmer Well-Known Member

    Anyone holding a student loan is the next fissure away from forgiveness. Biden is a true wildcatter @ heart and contrary to popular belief the fracking industry is alive and well.
  14. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Oh, but I have, as recently as 3 years ago . . . Just not full-time.

    I had scholarships, and I had student loans too.

    I didn't work for the school, although I did devote a few hours daily to Cross Country and Track and Field.

    While I didn't have the luxury of working on campus, I did have a car, and drove 20 mi R/T a couple of days a week to a part-time job that helped me pay for school. By the way, I had a 1971 Charger Sattelite with a 400 4 bbl that I downgraded to a 1977 Chevy Vega to raise more needed money . . . that was almost unforgiveable.

    That all depends on how badly one wants it. I don't know many kids today that want to sacrifice much of anything.

    Oh, I don't know about that. As I used to tell your dad, the very first educator didn't have a formal education.
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  15. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    No, no… Truer words were never spoken. Yes that was very unforgivable.
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  16. freshmeat

    freshmeat Can't touch this

    Dodge Charger / Plymouth Satellite?
  17. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Good catch. It was the Charger, but I’ve always referred to it as the Charger Satellite since I learned it was available.

    Loved that car, and ended up selling it to a co-worker and her father who were so agush about it, I’d bet she still owns it today.

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