Anti-Bush Dissent thread

Discussion in 'Religion' started by OldDan, Feb 20, 2006.

  1. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Danr I believe that there is sufficent circemstantial evidence to assume that Al fatty were behind the attrocity, as there were no surviving suspects to interogate then no we can not 100% be certain that all were activly involved. One other rather large pointer is that they claimed responsability and no other group has!! what if any alternatives have to this date been put foreward, none I believe. Can I ask if you have a viable alternative to put foreward? I am quite willing to listen to what you might have to say.

    De Orc :)
  2. Old Silver

    Old Silver New Member

    Well there's another bell for your jesters hat!
  3. Danr

    Danr New Member

    Take a peek at the video on that link.
  4. Danr

    Danr New Member

    [QUOTE='Ol Silver]Well there's another bell for your jesters hat![/QUOTE]
    Does anyone remember the guy's name, the guy that they have been trying to convict? Funny how propaganda does not always hold up in court.
  5. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    I have been given the same advice. Danr is like the proganda minister for islamic terrrorists and there is no reasoning in him to reason with therefore there is no reason to reply. However, the misinformation and hatred of American that he puts out needs a counter voice.
  6. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    You mean the muslim american who confessed that he wanted to crash a plane load of people into the whitehouse, or the mulsim american who was shooting people up in DC, or the Islamic visa student who was running over Americans in his car, or the Egyptian American of Islamic faith who went up to the Empire State Building and started to yell Allah is God and shoot up the tourists, or do you mean the Palestine Muslims who were living in America who decided to shoot up a bus van load of kids on the Brooklyn Bridge, or do you meant the Iraq, Egyptians, Palestines who blew up the garage in the first World Trade Tower Attack, or do you mean The Palestine muslim who shoot and killed then Presidential Democrat Party Candidate Robert F. Kennedy, or do you mean the muslims that were burning and vanderlizing jewish and christian houses of worship in Brooklyn, or do you mean the muslim americans who worked for the FBI and refused to arrest suspected Terrorist and instead warned them, or do you mean the arab american FBI translators who were cheering at the news of 911 as was reported at the Washington hearings by FBI supervisors who suspect key information was being withheld from them, or do you mean that arab that wanted to blow up the airport at LA or the other arab that wanted to blow up the Space Needle or do you mean the muslims who after 911 were cutting the throats of Greyhound bus drivers, or do you mean the muslims that were sending poison in the mail, where do I stop......................................................................Should I stop with the muslim american solider who attack and killed officers or how about the muslim american imans who in the service of the military were spying and sending messages back to the middle east or the muslim american officer who took home a key code book and it disapperared....where do I stop........................................................................................
  7. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Zacarias Moussaoui?
  8. Danr

    Danr New Member

    Andy did you look at the video. Why are those helicopters around the buildings just before they fell, and why was FEMA deployed on 9-10? And why did the buildings go straight down like a demolition? And there are a million questions like this. It simply does NOT add up.
  9. Midas

    Midas New Member usual..a great post of showing example after example after example on how these islamic thugs are the enemy of the civilized world.

    Here's a brief overview of some of the AMERICANS killed by islamic terrorists outside of Israel. Again, this is just for Americans killed outside of Israel! If you add those hundreds of Americans that have been killed while vacationing/visiting in Israel by P.L.O./Hamas islamic terrorists, this list would go on forever!

    June 5, 1968: As you mentioned Andy...Presidential candidate Robert "Bobby" Kennedy was assassinated by Sirhan Sirhan, a Jordanian Arab-Palestinian.

    February 21, 1970: Arab terrorists blew up an Israel-bound Swiss jet. 8 Americans were killed:

    September 14, 1970, En route to Amman, Jordan. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine hijacked a TWA flight from Zurich, Switzerland and forced it to land in Amman. 4 American citizens were injured.

    September 5, 1972, Munich, Germany. During the Olympic Games in Munich, Black September, a front for Fatah, took hostage 11 members of the Israeli Olympic team. 9 athletes were killed including weightlifter David Berger, an American-Israeli from Cleveland, Ohio. ( first introduction to the "religion of peace").

    September 9, 1974: Terrorists from the Palestinian Abu Nidal group bombed a TWA jet in the air near Greece. 10 Americans killed.

    August 11, 1976, Istanbul, Turkey. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine launched an attack on the terminal of Israel's major airline, El Al, at the Istanbul airport. 4 civilians, including Harold Rosenthal of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, (and an aide to U.S. Senator Jacob Javits) were killed and 20 injured.

    January 1, 1977, Beirut, Lebanon. Frances E. Meloy, U.S. ambassador to Lebanon, and Robert O.Waring, the U.S. economic counselor, were kidnapped by Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine members as they crossed a militia checkpoint separating the Christian from the Muslim sections of Beirut. They were later shot to death.

    November 4, 1979, Teheran, Iran. After President Carter agreed to admit the Shah of Iran into the U.S., Iranian radicals seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and took 66 American diplomats hostage.

    July 19, 1982, Beirut, Lebanon. Hizballah members kidnapped David Dodge, acting president of the American University in Beirut. After a year in captivity, Dodge was released.

    August 19, 1982, Paris, France. 2 American citizens, Anne Van Zanten and Grace Cutler, were killed when the PLO bombed a Jewish restaurant in Paris.

    March 16, 1983, Beirut, Lebanon. 5 American Marines were wounded in a hand grenade attack while on patrol north of Beirut International Airport. The Islamic Jihad and Al-Amal, a Shi'ite militia, claimed responsibility for the attack.

    April 18, 1983, Beirut, Lebanon. A truck-bomb detonated by a remote control exploded in front of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 63 employees, including the CIA's Middle East director, and wounding 120. Hizballah, with financial backing from Iran, was responsible for the attack.

    September 29, 1983, Beirut, Lebanon. 2 American marines were kidnapped by Amal members. They were released after intervention by a Lebanese army officer.

    October 23, 1983, Beirut, Lebanon. A truck loaded with a bomb crashed into the lobby of the U.S. Marines headquarters in Beirut, killing 241 soldiers and wounding 81. The attack was carried out by Hizballah with the help of Syrian intelligence and financed by Iran.

    January 18, 1984, Beirut, Lebanon. Malcolm Kerr, a Lebanese born American who was president of the American University of Beirut, was killed by gunmen outside his office. Hizballah said the assassination was part of the organization's plan to "drive all Americans out from Lebanon."

    March 7, 1984, Beirut, Lebanon. Hizballah members kidnapped Jeremy Levin, Beirut bureau chief of CNN. Levin managed to escape and reach Syrian army barracks. He was later transferred to American hands.

    March 8, 1984, Beirut, Lebanon. Three Hizballah members kidnapped Reverend Benjamin T. Weir, while he was walking with his wife in Beirut's Manara neighborhood. Weir was released after 16 months of captivity with Syrian and Iranian assistance.

    March 16, 1984, Beirut, Lebanon. Hizballah kidnapped William Buckley, a political officer at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut. Buckley was supposed to be exchanged for prisoners. However when the transaction failed to take place, he was reportedly transported to Iran. Although his body was never found, the U.S. administration declared the American diplomat dead.

    April 12, 1984, Torrejon, Spain. Hizballah bombed a restaurant near an U.S. Air Force base in Torrejon, Spain, killing 18 servicemen and wounding 83 people.

    September 20, 1984, Beirut, Lebanon. A suicide bomb attack on the U.S. Embassy in East Beirut killed 23 people and injured 21. The American and British ambassadors were slightly injured in the attack, attributed to the Iranian backed Hizballah group.

    September 20, 1984, Aukar, Lebanon. Islamic Jihad detonate a van full of explosives 30 feet in front of the U.S. Embassy annex severely damaging the building, killing two U.S. servicemen and seven Lebanese employees, as well as 5 to 15 non-employees. Twenty Americans were injured, including U.S. Ambassador Reginald Bartholomew and visiting British Ambassador David Miers. An estimated 40 to 50 Lebanese were hurt. The attack came in response to the U.S. veto September 6 of a U.N. Security Council resolution.

    December 4, 1984, Tehran, Iran. Hizballah terrorists hijacked a Kuwait Airlines plane en route from Dubai, United Emirates, to Karachi, Pakistan. They demanded the release from Kuwaiti jails of members of Da'Wa, a group of Shiite extremists serving sentences for attacks on French and American targets on Kuwaiti territory. The terrorists forced the pilot to fly to Tehran where the terrorists murdered 2 passengers. Although an Iranian special unit ended the incident by storming the plane and arresting the terrorists, the Iranian government might also have been involved in the hijacking.

    June 14, 1985, Between Athens and Rome. Two Hizballah members hijacked a TWA Flight 847 en route to Rome from Athens and forced the pilot to fly to Beirut. The terrorists, believed to belong to Hizballah, asked for the release of members of the group Kuwait 17 and 700 Shi'ite prisoners held in Israeli and South Lebanese prisons. The 8 crewmembers and 145 passengers were held for 17 days during which one of the hostages, Robert Stethem, a U.S. Navy diver, was murdered. After being flown twice to Algiers, the aircraft returned to Beirut and the hostages were released. Later on, four Hizballah members were secretly indicted. One of them, the Hizballah senior officer Imad Mughniyah, was indicted in absentia.

    October 7, 1985, Between Alexandria, Egypt and Haifa, Israel. A four-member Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine squad took over the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro, as it was sailing from Alexandria, Egypt, to Israel. The squad murdered a disabled U.S. citizen, Leon Klinghoffer, by throwing him in the ocean. The rest of the passengers were held hostage for two days and later released after the terrorists turned themselves in to Egyptian authorities in return for safe passage. But U.S. Navy fighters intercepted the Egyptian aircraft flying the terrorists to Tunis and forced it to land at the NATO airbase in Italy, where the terrorists were arrested. Two of the terrorists were tried in Italy and sentenced to prison. The Italian authorities however let the two others escape on diplomatic passports.

    December 27, 1985, Rome, Italy. 4 terrorists from Abu Nidal's organization attacked El Al offices at the Leonardo di Vinci Airport in Rome. 13 people, including 5 Americans, were killed and 74 wounded, among them two Americans. The terrorists had come from Damascus and were supported by the Syrian regime. Americans killed included Natasha Simpson, age 11, the daughter of Victor L. Simpson of New York, who was the Associated Press news editor in Rome

    March 30, 1986, Athens, Greece. A bomb exploded on a TWA flight from Rome as it approached Athens airport. The attack killed four U.S. citizens who were sucked through a hole made by the blast, although the plane safely landed. The bombing was attributed to the Fatah Special Operations Group's intelligence and security apparatus, headed by Abdullah Abd al-Hamid Labib, alias Colonel Hawari.

    April 5, 1986, West Berlin, Germany. An explosion at the "La Belle" nightclub in Berlin, frequented by American soldiers, killed three--2 U.S. soldiers and a Turkish woman-and wounded 191 including 41 U.S. soldiers. Given evidence of Libyan involvement, the U.S. Air Force made a retaliatory attack against Libyan targets on April 17. Libya refused to hand over to Germany five suspects believed to be there. Others, however, were tried including Yassir Shraidi and Musbah Eter, arrested in Rome in August 1997 and extradited; and also Ali Chanaa, his wife, Verena Chanaa, and her sister, Andrea Haeusler.

    September 5, 1986, Karachi, Pakistan. Abu Nidal members hijacked a Pan Am Flight #103 leaving Karachi, Pakistan bound for Frankfurt, Germany and New York with 379 passengers, including 89 Americans. The terrorists forced the plane to land in Larnaca, Cyprus, where they demanded the release of two Palestinians and a Briton jailed for the murder of three Israelis there in 1985. The terrorists killed 22 of the passengers, including two American citizens and wounded many others.

    September 6, 1986: Rajesh Kumar, of Huntington Beach, California, was killed when Palestinian terrorists hijacked a Pan Am jet at the Karachi, Pakistan airport.

    September 9, 1986, Beirut, Lebanon. Continuing its anti-American attacks, Hizballah kidnapped Frank Reed, director of the American University in Beirut, whom they accused of being "a CIA agent." He was released 44 months later. September 12, 1986, Beirut, Lebanon. Hizballah kidnapped Joseph Cicippio, the acting comptroller at the American University in Beirut. Cicippio was released five years later on December 1991.

    October 21, 1986, Beirut, Lebanon. Hizballah kidnapped Edward A. Tracy, an American citizen in Beirut. He was released five years later, on August 1991.

    February 17, 1988, Ras-Al-Ein Tyre, Lebanon. Col. William Higgins, the American chief of the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization, was abducted by Hizballah while driving from Tyre to Nakura. The hostages demanded the withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon and the release of all Palestinian and Lebanese held prisoners in Israel. The U.S. government refused to answer the request. Hizballah later hanged Higgins.

    December 21, 1988, Lockerbie, Scotland. Pan Am Flight 103 departing from Frankfurt to New York was blown up in midair, killing all 259 passengers and another 11 people on the ground in Scotland. Two Libyan agents were found responsible for planting a sophisticated suitcase bomb onboard the plane. On 14 November 1991, arrest warrants were issued for Al-Amin Khalifa Fahima and Abdel Baset Ali Mohamed al-Megrahi. After Libya refused to extradite the suspects to stand trial, the United Nations leveled sanctions against the country in April 1992, including the freezing of Libyan assets abroad.

    January 27, 1989, Istanbul and Ankara, Turkey. Three simultaneous bombings were carried out against U.S. business targets--the Turkish American Businessmen Association and the Economic Development Foundation in Istanbul, and the Metal Employees Union in Ankara. The Dev Sol (Revolutionary Left) was held responsible for the attacks.

    March 6, 1989, Cairo, Egypt. Two explosive devices were safely removed from the grounds of the American and British Cultural centers in Cairo. Three organizations were believed to be responsible for the attack: The January 15 organization, which had sent a letter bomb to the Israeli ambassador to London in January; the Egyptian Revolutionary Organization that from out 1984-1986 carried out attacks against U.S. and Israeli targets; and the Nasserite Organization, which had attacked British and American targets in 1988.

    June 12, 1989, Bosphorus Straits, Turkey. A bomb exploded aboard an unoccupied boat used by U.S. consular staff. The explosion caused extensive damage but no casualties. An organization previously unknown, the Warriors of the June 16th Movement, claimed responsibility for the attack.

    October 11, 1989, Izmir, Turkey. An explosive charge went off outside a U.S. military PX. Dev Sol was held responsible for the attack.

    February 7, 1991, Incirlik Air Base, Turkey. Dev Sol members shot and killed a U.S. civilian contractor as he was getting into his car at the Incirlik Air Base in Adana, Turkey.

    February 28, 1991, Izmir, Turkey. Two Dev Sol gunmen shot and wounded a U.S. Air Force officer as he entered his residence in Izmir.

    March 28, 1991, Jubial, Saudi Arabia. Three U.S. marines were shot at and injured by an unknown terrorist while driving near Camp Three, Jubial. No organization claimed responsibility for the attack.

    October 28, 1991, Ankara, Turkey. Victor Marwick, an American soldier serving at the Turkish-American base, Tuslog, was killed and his wife wounded in a car bomb attack. The Turkish Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

    October 28, 1991, Istanbul, Turkey. Two car bombings killed a U.S. Air Force sergeant and severely wounded an Egyptian diplomat in Istanbul. Turkish Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

    November 8, 1991, Beirut, Lebanon. A 100-kg car bomb destroyed the administration building of the American University in Beirut, killing one person and wounding at least a dozen.

    October 12, 1992, Umm Qasr, Iraq. A U.S. soldier serving with the United Nations was stabbed and wounded near the port of Umm Qasr. No organization claimed responsibility for the attack.

    January 25, 1993, Virginia, United States. A Pakistani gunman opened fire on Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) employees standing outside of the building. Two agents, Frank Darling and Bennett Lansing, were killed and three others wounded. The assailant was never caught and reportedly fled to Pakistan.

    February 26, 1993, Cairo, Egypt. A bomb exploded inside a café in downtown Cairo killing three. Among the 18 wounded were two U.S. citizens. No one claimed responsibility for the attack.

    February 26, 1993, New York, United States. A massive van bomb exploded in an underground parking garage below the World Trade Center in New York City, killing six and wounding 1,042. The FRIST Attack of the WTC!!

    April 14, 1993, Kuwait. The Iraqi intelligence service attempted to assassinate former U.S. President George Bush during a visit to Kuwait. In retaliation, the U.S. launched a cruise missile attack two months later on the Iraqi capital, Baghdad.

    July 5, 1993, Southeast Turkey. In eight separate incidents, the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) kidnapped a total of 19 Western tourists traveling in southeastern Turkey. The hostages, including U.S. citizen Colin Patrick Starger, were released unharmed after spending several weeks in captivity.

    March 8, 1995, Karachi, Pakistan. Two unidentified gunmen armed with AK-47 assault rifles opened fire on a U.S. Consulate van in Karachi, killing two U.S. diplomats, Jacqueline Keys Van Landingham and Gary C. Durell, and wounding a third, Mark McCloy.

    July 4, 1995, Kashmir, India. In Kashmir, a previously unknown militant group, Al-Faran, with suspected links to a Kashmiri separatist group in Pakistan, took hostage 6 tourists, including two U.S. citizens. They demanded the release of Muslim militants held in Indian prisons. One of the U.S. citizens escaped on July 8, while on August 13 the decapitated body of the Norwegian hostage was found along with a note stating that the other hostages also would be killed if the group's demands were not met. The Indian Government refused. Both Indian and American authorities believe the rest of the hostages were most likely killed in 1996 by their jailers.

    August 1995, Istanbul, Turkey. A bombing of Istanbul's popular Taksim Square injured two U.S. citizens. This attack was part of a three-year-old attempt by the PKK to drive foreign tourists away from Turkey by striking at tourist sites.

    November 9, 1995, Algiers, Algeria. Islamic extremists set fire to a warehouse belonging to the U.S. Embassy, threatened the Algerian security guard because he was working for the United States, and demanded to know whether any U.S. citizens were present. The Armed Islamic Group (GIA) probably carried out the attacks.

    November 13, 1995, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. A car bomb exploded in the parking lot outside of the Riyadh headquarters of the Office of the Program Manager/Saudi Arabian National Guard, killing 7persons, five of them U.S. citizens, and wounding 42. The blast severely damaged the three-story building, which houses a U.S. military advisory group, and several neighboring office buildings. Three groups -- the Islamic Movement for Change, the Tigers of the Gulf, and the Combatant Partisans of God -- claimed responsibility for the attack.

    June 25, 1996, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. A fuel truck carrying a bomb exploded outside the U.S. military's Khobar Towers housing facility in Dhahran, killing 19 U.S. military personnel and wounding 515 persons, including 240 U.S. personnel. Several groups claimed responsibility for the attack. In June 2001, a U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Virginia, identified Saudi Hizballah as the party responsible for the attack. The court indicated that the members of the organization, banned from Saudi Arabia, "frequently met and were trained in Lebanon, Syria, or Iran" with Libyan help.

    August 17, 1996, Mapourdit, Sudan. Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA) rebels kidnapped six missionaries in Mapourdit, including a U.S citizen. The SPLA released the hostages on August 28.

    November 1, 1996, Sudan. A breakaway group of the Sudanese People's Liberation Army (SPLA) kidnapped three workers of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), including one U.S citizen. The rebels released the hostages on December 9 in exchange for ICRC supplies and a health survey of their camp.

    December 3, 1996, Paris, France. A bomb exploded aboard a Paris subway train, killing four and injuring 86 persons, including a U.S. citizen. No one claimed responsibility for the attack, but Algerian extremists are suspected.

    January 2, 1997, Major cities worldwide, United States. A series of letter bombs with Alexandria, Egypt postmarks were discovered at Al-Hayat newspaper bureaus in Washington, DC, New York, London, and Riyadh. Three similar devices, also postmarked in Egypt, were found at a prison facility in Leavenworth, Kansas. Bomb disposal experts defused all the devices, but one detonated at the Al-Hayat newspaper office in London, injuring two security guards and causing minor damage.

    February 23, 1997, New York, United States. Ali Hassan Abu Kamal, a Palestinian teacher, opened fire on the 86th-floor observation deck of New York City's Empire State Building, killing killing a Danish national and wounding six others before shooting himself to death. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claimed this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine."

    October 30, 1997, Sanaa, Yemen. Al-Sha'if tribesmen kidnapped a U.S. businessman near Sanaa. The tribesmen sought the release of two fellow tribesmen who were arrested on smuggling charges and several public works projects they claim the government promised them.

    November 12, 1997, Karachi, Pakistan. Two unidentified gunmen shot to death four U.S. auditors from Union Texas Petroleum and their Pakistani driver as they drove away from the Sheraton Hotel in Karachi. Two groups claimed responsibility -- the Islamic Inqilabi Council, or Islamic Revolutionary Council and the Aimal Secret Committee, also known as the Aimal Khufia Action Committee.

    November 25, 1997, Aden, Yemen. Yemenite tribesmen kidnapped a U.S citizen, two Italians, and two unspecified Westerners near Aden to protest the eviction of a tribe member from his home.

    June 21, 1998, Beirut, Lebanon. Two hand-grenades were thrown at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut. No casualties were reported. Later, 3 rocket-propelled grenades attached to a crude detonator exploded near the U.S. Embassy compound in Beirut, causing no casualties and little damage.

    August 7, 1998, Nairobi, Kenya. A car bomb exploded at the rear entrance of the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi. The attack killed a total of 292, including 12 U.S. citizens, and injured over 5,000, among them six Americans. The perpetrators belonged to al-Qaida, Usama bin Ladin's network.

    August 7, 1998, Dar es Sala'am, Tanzania. A car bomb exploded outside the U.S. Embassy in Dar es Sala'am, killing 11 and injuring 86. Osama bin Laden's organization al-Qaida claimed responsibility for the attack. Two suspects were arrested.

    November 21, 1998, Teheran, Iran. Members of Fedayeen Islam, shouting anti-American slogans and wielding stones and iron rods, attacked a group of American tourists in Tehran. Some of the tourists suffered minor injuries from flying glass.

    December 28, 1998, Mawdiyah, Yemen. Sixteen tourists--12 Britons, two Americans and two Australians--were taken hostage in the largest kidnapping in Yemen's recent history. The tourists were seized in the Abyan province (some 175 miles south of Sanaa the capital). One Briton and a Yemeni guide escaped, while the rest were taken to city of Mawdiyah. Four hostages were killed when troops closed in and two were wounded, including an American woman. The kidnappers, members of the Islamic Army of Aden-Abyan, an offshoot of Al-Jihad, had demanded the release from jail of their leader, Saleh Haidara al-Atwi.

    October 31, 1999, Nantucket, Massachusetts, United States. EgyptAir Flight 990 crashed off the U.S. coast killing all 217 people on board, including 100 Americans. Although it is not precisely clear what happened, evidence indicated that an Egyptian pilot, Ahmed el-Habashy crashed the plane for personal or "religion" reasons.

    November 4, 1999, Athens, Greece. A group protesting President Clinton's visit to Greece hid a gas bomb at an American car dealership in Athens. Two cars were destroyed and several others damaged. Anti-State Action claimed responsibility for the attack, but the November 17 group was also suspected.

    November 12, 1999, Islamabad, Pakistan. Six rockets were fired at the U.S. Information Services cultural center and United Nations offices in Islamabad, injuring a Pakistani guard.

    October 12, 2000, Aden Harbor, Yemen. A suicide squad rammed the warship the U.S.S. Cole with an explosives-laden boat killing 13 American sailors and injuring 33. The attack was likely by Osama bin Ladin's al-Qaida organization.


    September 11, 2001, America FINALLY wakes up...and sees islam for what is truly is...well at least most Americans.

    Those that don't see islam for what it is simply believe the United States can "buy off" or appease these islamic terrorists!! Could British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain appease Hitler and avert a world war when he sold out Czechoslovakia?

    Americans and what's left of the "civilized" world has a real battle on our hands. The sooner we recognize these cold-blooded, barbaric thugs for what they are and unite in a common front against them, the better chance the world will be spared more vicious attacks.
  10. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    Um, there are heliports in the area first of all off the east river. Second of all that was and with saddness I state was a major tourist site with helicopter flight patterns for picture taking. Third the building was built not to fall down like a tree in case of disaster and once the metal started to melt it just collaspe. Fourth native new yorkers from the area rushed into the scene to look for survivors until it was organized by the mayor of new york with fireman, police and civilians volunteers by the thousands who helped with the rubble removal. As for watching any video of the towers, most of it was pulled off the TV faster then you can say Allah be praised so I guess you never saw the burning people jump out or the people holding hands leaping to their death to escape death by fire. There were a lot of heros that day. Good Americans who carried old ladies down the stairs, who carried wheelchair bound individuals down the stairs, who did not push or shove going down the stairs knowing that they all might not make it out. Never mind the fireman who rushed in knowing that they might not come out. Never mind the people who left their jobs and went to the site to lift the rubble as they breathed in the fumes of burning flesh. But once again you seek to cheapen the deaths and bravery of true americans with your bomb throwing comments. You really should be ashamed of yourself for you are not debating issues but just trying to bury the image of this nation and I do not know why people who ally themselves with you do not see this.
  11. Danr

    Danr New Member

    From your comments I do not think that you saw the video I linked above. It is the only vid from Hoboken and shows some VERY wierd stuff with helicopters. Also FEMA were deployed on 9-10 plus a million other things that do not add up.
  12. Jim M

    Jim M New Member

    Midas, and they say we are stereotyping? Reading what you posted, I say we call cowpies, cowpies!

    Just my opinion!
  13. Midas

    Midas New Member

    Anytime I list and document what the muslims have done in the name of their religion or if I quote their Koran with chapter and verse, word for word...I get blasted by those that defend these people. Frankly, I don't care. I know who my enemy is and I feel for muslims in the same way most Americans felt about Japs in early 1942.

    I make no mistake about my views. I DO NOT LIKE MUSLIMS! The main reason other than all the acts of murder, kidnappings, tortue, suicide bombings, etc. that I have listed for all to research on their own is...

    Because the vast majority of these people are fundamentists who harbor, support, finance and cheer on these people as they commit these crimes. Until the day when people of islamic faith can demonstrate through ACTION they were wiling to police and prosecute their own, I want nothing to do with them. It's the bed they made and buddy, I am not sleeping in it! To those that want to "sleep with the enemy", well...that is treason in my book.

  14. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger Another Wandering Celt

    I'm with ya Midas, I'm with ya.

  15. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    You're simply an extremist in the other direction just as despicable as the people you rail against. If you had been born Muslim, I'm positive you'd be one of the more well known terrorists. You can't even see the truth of this sad fact. Hate is hate no matter which side you're on, plain and simple.
  16. Danr

    Danr New Member

    You are on a roll Moen
  17. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Maybe, but I doubt Midas is done beating his chest just yet.
  18. OldDan

    OldDan New Member

    No truer words have been posted in this entire forum than the ones you posted QD, and I am with you all the way. I want no part of contributing to the eventual denuding of our local Taliban Danr and his associates. Let them git their kicks somewhere else.:high5:
  19. Midas

    Midas New Member

    I am willing to bet there are many that see the muslim population as I do for what it is...BUT...they are not vocal about it. You know who you are thinking, "I tend to agree with that guy Midas, but for the life of me, I would never admit it publically.

    I have come out vocally with my views whereas most people just keep their views politely to themselves.

    After all, if we just kept our views and historical references to ourselves, we wouldn't enjoy the spirit of free debate, would we?...something you would NEVER see in an islamic country.

    Remeber the last muslim guy who openly criticized islam?

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  20. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    Midas has complement me on presenting facts but the bottom line is that Midas himself has presented more facts then anyone. This is not chest beating, it is just saying what Now some don't want to hear it and others do not want others to know it but what Now Moen, you at times are very funny and at other times you back your statements with rational thought but all Danr ever does is change the subject, ignores facts that people present him with and then looks for something to turn around into an anti-american lie.

    Now do you also Moen believe what Danr is alluding to in that perhaps our government had something to do with 911 and the saudi's that did it, didn't.

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