BEHOLD minions !! PROOF of GAWD

Discussion in 'Religion' started by freshmeat, Dec 12, 2022.

  1. Profiler

    Profiler Well-Known Member

    I haven’t seen you post any proof of His nonexistence. Put up or shut up.
     
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  2. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    Profiler
    Science is limited to our perception, our technology and our ability to be objective. Science is not an exact and like faith has a degree of faith. Heck the entire Scientific Method is limited to our perceptions and technology.

    So the proof I offer is good enough for me for the reasons I stated do exist and leads me to the belief that G-d exists.

    People had no idea that microscopic life existed until Robert Hooke invented the compound microscope in 1665.
    Pluto was taught as being a planet until the evolution of telescopes showed that there around 50 something Pluto type planetoids in our solar system so they came up with the name of dwarf planet.
    Exact details can be looked up. I’m going on based on memory.

    Basically the fundamentals of Science are always changing and expanding based upon…
    See first opening paragraph.
     
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  3. What U ignore

    What U ignore Well-Known Member

    Here is something. An extremely large portion of the earth's population who have chosen to believe that they and the entire universe DID NOT JUST HAPPEN and evolve, recently celebrated the birth of the Son of God. :D:p
     
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  4. Profiler

    Profiler Well-Known Member

    Belief in science takes a measure of faith. Case in point, Covid. The science portrayed to the populace was is if you wear a mask and take the vaccine, you won’t contract Covid or spread it. That proved to be false and then science changed (just like global warming) and we have progressed to today. The devout believers (ya know, the militant religious science folks that worship Fauci) are still diapering their faces, getting jabs, and are still getting infected and spreading the virus. I will believe and adhere to the 10 commandments before I worship government officials. Science has made great strides in the betterment of mankind, but only if it is achieved through humility.
     
  5. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    The science never said that. It's always been about risk reduction, which is true. No science ever claimed there was a silver bullet.

    It's been misrepresented that way so that people can attack a strawman, but vaccines still work and so do masks.
     
  6. Profiler

    Profiler Well-Known Member

    Show data that proves masks work. Ya boy said “ if you get the vaccine you won’t get coronavirus and won’t transmit it”. Now show us the proof that an unvaccinated person that died with or from COVID wouldn’t have died if they got the vaccine.
     
  7. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Who?

    Here's one example paper of many

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    Am I supposed to reanimate a person who died, go back in time, vaccinate them, then reinfect them?

    I can show on a population level those who are vaccinated die at lower rates than unvaccinated people. Is that what you're asking for?
     
  8. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    The virus scandal did many things. For now, I will post one.
    1. Gave China a test run in using biological weapons that mainly take out the old and the already sick- in other words people who are not productive, no longer high consumers and a drain on the nation state.
    You can cite whatever you want but even the newer vaccine commercials back this by stating how the virus takes out more the old and those with serious pre-existing conditions.
     
  9. What U ignore

    What U ignore Well-Known Member

    :rolleyes: Please cut the crap with all the MANUFACTURED DATA CHARTS YOU POST TO PROVE SOMETHIING.

    This is a fact. Different types of face coverings may help block different things. AFAI have read. There is virtually nothing inexpensive you can wear to block a virus.

    This is a fact; Nothing being shot into any arm that is called a COVID vaccine IS A TRUE VACCINE!!!!

    @GeneWright Do you disagree with either statement above?
     
  10. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Why do you hate facts backed by evidence so much?

    First part is true, second (red) part is wrong. Standard surgical masks have some efficacy. KF94 masks, also very cheap, actually have very good efficacy. I still use the KF94s in everyday life.

    Wrong. Define a "true vaccine"
     
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  11. What U ignore

    What U ignore Well-Known Member

    You got me Gene. ;) My use of a "true vaccine" that PREVENTS something is obsolete. The word "vaccine" has been "watered down":( and used to describe ANYTHING that helps... you and I know the rest. :p:D
     
  12. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    If you're actually interested let's talk about how vaccines work, then circle around to polio, something you might consider a "true vaccine"

    The way a vaccine works is that it trains your immune system to attack a foreign particle with a specific molecular shape. However, your immune system still has to do the fighting leading to some shortcomings. If you are immunocompromised (perhaps due to cancer treatment for example), it doesn't matter how well trained your immune system is, it won't fight off invaders as well before they replicate and overwhelm the system.

    Even in those with healthy immune systems, if enough foreign particles enter before the immune system reacts effectively, it can overwhelm the body and a breakthrough infection occurs.

    Of note, in the early days of the polio vaccination, there were many breakthrough infections. This is because people were being exposed to it with such frequency. Polio is all but eliminated now because we have such a high vaccine compliance, meaning the viral particles are virtually never in high enough concentration to take hold in the bodies of healthy immune systems vaccinated against it.

    There are other factors which make covid tougher to contain than polio (high replication rate, virulence, mutations) but the fact remains that the main reason the polio vaccine works so well is because so many people are vaccinated for it.

    To conclude, the definition of vaccine hasn't changed, you've just misunderstood it.
     
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  13. freshmeat

    freshmeat Can't touch this

    Oh my. GAWD save us !!!
     
  14. What U ignore

    What U ignore Well-Known Member

    GeneWright, posted: "If you're actually interested let's talk about how vaccines work, then circle around to polio, something you might consider a "true vaccine"

    The way a vaccine works is that it trains your immune system to attack a foreign particle with a specific molecular shape. However, your immune system still has to do the fighting leading to some shortcomings. If you are immunocompromised (perhaps due to cancer treatment for example), it doesn't matter how well trained your immune system is, it won't fight off invaders as well before they replicate and overwhelm the system.

    Even in those with healthy immune systems, if enough foreign particles enter before the immune system reacts effectively, it can overwhelm the body and a breakthrough infection occurs.

    Of note, in the early days of the polio vaccination, there were many breakthrough infections. This is because people were being exposed to it with such frequency. Polio is all but eliminated now because we have such a high vaccine compliance, meaning the viral particles are virtually never in high enough concentration to take hold in the bodies of healthy immune systems vaccinated against it.

    There are other factors which make covid tougher to contain than polio (high replication rate, virulence, mutations) but the fact remains that the main reason the polio vaccine works so well is because so many people are vaccinated for it."

    Gene,
    As I wrote above, you and I know this. Thanks for your thoughtful post with your explanation related to COVID which is not all over the Internet. ;)

    "To conclude, the definition of vaccine hasn't changed, you've just misunderstood it."

    My "misunderstanding" comes from members of the medical community who try to simplify the field of medicine for simple folks such as myself. Therefore, I'll continue to be a pig-headed, dunce. If a vaccine does not prevent something in virtually every case, I will not consider it a "true" vaccine although it fits the correct definition.
     
  15. Robert Ransom
    Roflmao

    Robert Ransom Cautiously optomistic.

    The thread began with G*D? and has morphed to vaccines. What happened?
     
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  16. What U ignore

    What U ignore Well-Known Member

    Exactly what God knew would happen.
     
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  17. Robert Ransom
    Roflmao

    Robert Ransom Cautiously optomistic.

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  18. freshmeat

    freshmeat Can't touch this

    They ran out of proof?
     
  19. What U ignore

    What U ignore Well-Known Member

    Not at all. Actually it is very boring to post about what 98% of all human's believe (the existence of a "God") with a very young, non-engaging, Ivy Inn, very :confused: atheist genius.
     
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  20. Robert Ransom
    Roflmao

    Robert Ransom Cautiously optomistic.

    I question his genius claim and his alumnus affiliation.
     
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