Defund the police? What are we doing?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by SmalltownMN, Jun 4, 2020.

  1. SmalltownMN
    Doh

    SmalltownMN Active Member

    I can't grasp this mentality at all.

    What would this country be if this were to take place on a major scale?

    People again calling for police not to have riot gear available to them. That's a great idea! At the same time, let's take away nozzles and hoses from firemen and scalpels from surgeons.

    Please, America, wake up.
     
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  2. JohnHamilton
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    This call to defund the police reminds me of the comment someone made back in the 1960s:

    “The next time you are in trouble, call a hippie.”

    The same concept applies here. Perhaps the new advice might be:

    “The next time you are in trouble, call an arsonist or a rioter.”
     
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  3. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    I have never been so discouraged in my life. We live in a time where we can say and do as we please with no consequence..... The police will not be defunded, however you can be assured they will be neutered and ineffective. The police involved in Floyd’s death will not receive anything remotely resembling a fair trial.... Driving home tonight I got close to my little town and was intentionally crowded to the shoulder of the road by two young guys pointing and laughing. I got into town to find protesters at the main intersection of my little town pointing and hollering at us privileged white guys coming home from work.

    Yesterday, Drew Brees made a very inspiring recorded speech about what the flag meant to him and the memories of his grandfathers who both served in war. He was treated so poorly that he was forced to apologize for an inspirational message. Yet we allow people to holler filth on our street corners..... There is a change ahead. One devoid of morals and character. Because I spent my adult life working hard to make something of myself, I am now privileged and consequently, a scad. I wasted eight years of my life learning honor as a soldier. I earned my way to the Army color guard and now feel I should be ashamed. Thirty years of servitude to my church and community..... I have wasted my entire life. I now know what true depression feels like. I am so done. A world without morals and character is not a world I want to be part of.
     
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  4. JohnHamilton
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    You have not wasted anything, @Mopar Dude. The human garbage that is now burning and looting will take themselves down even further. The liberals, who think that they are so cute now, will have to control them at some point to maintain their power base. The hippies in Washington and Hollywood will be amused by these people only so long as they are not interfering with their lives.

    Ripping up mid-town Manhattan is the first step in bringing down the criminals. New York City is at a crossroads. It will either return to what it once was or it will become like Newark and East Orange, New Jersey. The decision will be made by the power elite when it will be time to control the barbarians. If they don’t, the barbarians will be at the gates of the power elites next.
     
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  5. JoeNation
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    If this isn't the most out of touch group of poorly informed hand-wringers I have ever met, I don't know what is. OMG to quote the younger generation. Do none of you have the Google machine or something?

    Defunding police doesn't mean that you don't have a police department. It means that you withdraw funding and refund a less corrupt and community-based police department. Two towns over from where I live, we had a police department a few years back that was so out of control that they were pulling over people and fining everyone they could so that they could finance lavish equipment and uniforms, and all kinds of gear until the people got tired of being harassed and defunded and fired the entire force. There are still Sheriff Departments that did the minimal amount of policing until new officers were hired.

    This happens more often than you think. It isn't uncommon. You just have to use the Google boys. Use the Google. Learn something.
     
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  6. JohnHamilton
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    Good spin doctor work, @JoeNation! The message was sprawled on a wall, and rest of your analysis was missing.

    Your movements is made up of short messages that can be cut down to chants and sound bites. I don't think the guy who spray painted it on public property had analyzed the issue to the level you presentation.
     
  7. JoeNation
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    JoeNation Patron Saint of Idiots

    So damn what.
     
  8. JohnHamilton
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    So damn, you are outed.
     
  9. SmalltownMN
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    SmalltownMN Active Member

    I thought I blocked this thread to those without common sense but, alas, here you are.

    Sure, budgets are cut all the time but we have morons out there suggesting to seriously defund them or, stupider still, that we have no police at all.

    There are some smaller city departments that operate on thin budgets to begin with. To take funds away from any department, and especially those smaller city departments would do more harm than good.

    It was not a joke to make the comparison of the firefighters without nozzle and hose. All you nut jobs rail on the cops and talk so big, who do you intend to call if you find yourself in a predicament that you cannot handle yourself. Using my firefighter analogy, good luck putting out the blaze in your home with your garden hose.

    This group being out of touch? That’s a laugher, Joe. You have proved over and over in this forum that your thinking goes way outside the normal.......and that is NOT a compliment. Go stick your head back up where you normally keep it and leave this discussion to the sensible people in the room.
     
  10. SmalltownMN
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    SmalltownMN Active Member

    Randy, you have to be one of the most levelheaded people I’ve met online. From the posts I’ve enjoyed reading here and on CT, I know that I would enjoy sitting down over coffee or a coke and chatting for a spell. The same goes for @JohnHamilton, @CoinBlazer and @toughcoins. Our political leanings are generally in line and then there’s that coin thing, too.

    One either has to develop thick skin, put people on ignore for awhile or just step away for a few days. The negativity that happens on this forum and what it brings out in all of us is truly unhealthy. My wife and I talk a lot and she’s my calming influence.

    I know that in time, this will blow over and things will level out. We just have to ride the waves until the storm passes.
     
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  11. JoeNation
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    JoeNation Patron Saint of Idiots

    And this is what it looks like...

    Mpls police.JPG
     
  12. JoeNation
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    JoeNation Patron Saint of Idiots

    Better idea. Stay in your tiny rural bubble and keep your narrow-minded opinions to yourself. The thing your ilk routinely calls "reality" is no more than a backwards out of dated ideal of white privilege that you see slipping through your hands and there is nothing you can do about it. Your best hope is a Nazi style fascist uprising and we have all seen how those end. The Arc of Justice is long and it always leans towards progress, never backwards in time 40 years.

    Your fear mongering is a trait your ilk both loves to inflict and at the same time loves to have it inflicted on yourselves. You crave the strong hand of authority. It is a moral failing and you can't so a thing about it as the rest of us pass you by. No wonder small towns in the Midwest are dying so rapidly. They are filled with Troglodytes and Neanderthals like you and your family. Sad but white trash like you never really had a chance.
     
  13. SmalltownMN
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    SmalltownMN Active Member

    I'll ask you the same thing I had to ask Gene, what does where I choose to live have to do with this discussion? You think because I live two hours away from the Twin Cities, that I don't know what's going on down there?

    Here's the big difference between you and your ilk and me and mine and you prove it with this very post. I don't judge a man by his race, where he lives, what he drives, his sexual orientation.........none of that. I judge a man by his character, of which there are many traits that you seem to be lacking.

    This is what is completely wrong in this country right now. YOU and YOUR ILK are the very reason that Donald Trump is our President.
     
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  14. Mopar Dude

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    I too live in a tiny rural town surrounded by peach orchards and onion fields (they smell)..... Yesterday driving home I was toyed with by two young kids just outside my little town. They crowded me to the curb while they laughed and gestured. Very out of character for my little burg. When I got into town I saw the protestors had arrived and I am sure I had a run in with the welcome wagon........ You know, I am music director in my church and lead the praise group. Two of which are very openly gay. Other than the ribbing I get about my tight pants from time to time, it is not even a part of my consciousness. I have an adopted black daughter. The only time I ever make mention of her skin color is on this forum..... You are absolutely correct. Conservative minded folks do not see gay, black, white or whatever. We see people. It is astounding that because I am conservative that I am supposed to be all that is wrong in our nation.... Sorry, I hadn't noticed... But then I have committed the highest sin. I was born white.
     
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  15. JohnHamilton
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    One the big cities that is contemplating cuts the policing budges is New York. After what has happened there over the week, only a mad man or a jack ass would think that cutting down on law enforcement would solve anything.

    The last time New York City was really bad was in the 1970s. I was working for Allied Chemical at the time. They once occupied the former New York Times building which is the triangular shaped structure at the head of Times Square. It’s the place where the ball drops every New Years Eve.

    You would have thought that it would have been an assignment many people wanted, but it wasn’t because of crime. People told me how they could look out of their windows and see people get mugged in Times Square in broad daylight. There were many news stories about how the working class was leaving the city because they could not deal with the crime.

    The turnaround really got going when Ruddy Giuliani was elected mayor. He reorganized the Police Department and made life uncomfortable for the petty criminals who can ruin neighborhoods.

    Now New York has a loser socialist mayor who thinks that law enforcement is the problem. Despite the fact that they are both “liberal Democrats” even Governor Cuomo is disgusted with him. Under this mayor, the flight of the professionals has begun again, and this time it might be permanent.
     
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  16. GeneWright

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    I'm proud to say Minneapolis will be one of the first testing grounds for this. When we say "defund the police" this is what we mean. A multiple years long transition where we take money from the police and put it towards community based services to address the issues cops face. Nobody wants to completely defund the police, especially not immediately, there's just some issues that require more nuance than a cop can give. Take this quote from former Dallas police chief David Brown:

    “We’re asking cops to do too much in this country… Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve. Not enough mental health funding, let the cops handle it… Here in Dallas we got a loose dog problem; let’s have the cops chase loose dogs. Schools fail, let’s give it to the cops… That’s too much to ask. Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.”

    This is what we're hoping to address by "defunding the police"
     
  17. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    As an uneducated privileged white guy I am only left to wonder...... Does personal responsibility not resolve most of these ills? Just exactly how much of our lives need to be regulated?
     
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  18. SmalltownMN
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    Seriously? I don't know if I would be so proud. The city councilman in Minneapolis, who Joe so proudly quotes above, is one of the voices calling for "dismantling" the police force and also officially announced his support for ANTIFA. So you have a city council member, clearly an activist, who makes damn near six figures a year to be on that council, who would love to see his own city burn.
     
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  19. JohnHamilton
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    Anyone who supports or belongs to ANTIFA is an idiot.

    There is no difference between ANTIFA and the KKK. They are both made up of haters; they are violent; and they both like to see things burn.
     
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  20. JoeNation
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    You're an idiot. There is no such thing as an Antifa organization to belong to. It simply means Ant-Fascist. I understand your opposition to that ideal. The Proud Boys, the Boogaloo Boys, the KKK are all hate mongers that you have much in common with.
     

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