"Far-Left Facism"? Who wrote this speech?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by JoeNation, Jul 4, 2020.

  1. JoeNation
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    Stephen Miller must have the original copy of Mein Kampf, the autobiographical manifesto by Nazi Party leader Adolf Hitler, because he has learned well but, we've seen this before so it won't work this time.
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    Bruce Lindner

    I didn’t watch it, but apparently Trump gave quite the historically inaccurate stemwinder last night. This graphic came from the Fox News banner touting his hate-fest.
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    On the anniversary where we all come together as Americans to celebrate our independence; an independence conceived of by arguably left-leaning revolutionaries (with the possible exception of John Adams), here stands this dumpy lump of Trump before Mount Rushmore, fantasizing about how his own face will look up there alongside Abe’s—and what is his message on this night? That the opposition party wants to destroy America. Because it’s been taken over by “far-left fascists.”
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    Back in 2008, Jonah Goldberg, son of Lucianne Goldberg (remember her?) wrote a book called “Liberal Fascism.” The title itself was the hook. Until then, as anyone with the IQ of cottage cheese knows, fascism is a far-right form of government. But Goldberg and others during the Gingrich era were sick and tired of the new Republican right being mentioned in the same breath with fascism. Fascism evokes dark memories of Nazism, Hitler, Mussolini, Franco etc. So Jonah spun the hell out of that in his book.
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    I read it when it first came out (spoiler alert: it’s dreadful). The premise went something like this: Fascism is a form of brutal totalitarianism. Totalitarianism is antithetical to freedom. Hitler was a totalitarian. So was Franco. But so too were Stalin, Castro and Mao. And they were all unabashedly leftists. Ergo, “liberal fascism.“
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    Wrong.
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    Marxism, Communism, etc. were/are totalitarian forms of government of the extreme LEFT.

    Fascism is a totalitarian form of government of the extreme RIGHT.
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    File that under “DOCUMENTED HISTORY.”
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    The very phrases “liberal fascism” or “far-left fascism” are self-cancelling. That’s like being accused of being an evangelical atheist. Or a T-bone steak-loving vegetarian. Nonsensical gibberish for nonsensical thinkers.
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    Yes, I know... the right always likes to remind us that the name “Nazi” stems from an acronym for National Socialist German Workers Party. And since the word “socialist,” a leftist ideology is right there in the name, it must be a leftist construct... no?
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    No. Wrong again, Jonah.
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    The Nazi Party was established on February 24th, 1920 (happy belated). Hitler joined the party soon thereafter, and became its leader the following year. He later PURGED the party of all socialists (in a most aggressive manner), but didn’t bother to change the party’s title.
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    Where was I? Oh yeah...
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    And now here’s Donald Trump, 100 years and 131 days later, standing before the visages of George, Tom, Ted and Abe on the eve of our 244th national birthday, doing what he does best—dividing us. Basking in the adulation of his Red & Whiters. Lying about the opposition party.
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    Completely ignorant of history, the times we live in or the pandemic that’s engulfing us, he’s rattling off the talking points of a dismal book written by an absolute nobody... in a speech that was probably polished by Stephen Miller en route to Mount Rushmore aboard Air Force One.
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    But the bottom line in Goldberg’s, Miller’s and Trump’s intentional misuse of the word fascism is this: PROJECTION.
     
  2. FryDaddyJr

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  3. c jay
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    No, they are not the same but they do have much in common. Mussolini was a socialist who shifted to a more nationalist than international focus.

    "What a waste that we lost Mussolini. He is a first-rate man who would have led our party to power in Italy."

     
  4. JoeNation
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    fascism

    The only official definition of Fascism comes from Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism, in which he outlines three principles of a fascist philosophy.

    1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompassing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator.

    2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government.

    3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated. If you do not see things our way, you are wrong. If you do not agree with the government, you cannot be allowed to live and taint the minds of the rest of the good citizens.

    The use of militarism was implied only as a means to accomplish one of the three above principles, mainly to keep the people and rest of the world in line. Fascist countries are known for their harmony and lack of internal strife. There are no conflicting parties or elections in fascist countries.
     
  5. c jay
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    As in Communism. No joking, but I only see subtle differences. The variances between right and left are multidimensional. Nationalism on the Right to Internationalism on the left. Sole Ownership / Minimal Governance on the right to State ownership of means of production on the left. Fascism used an oligarchy system to make private industry subservient to the state, as did the Nazis. Both Communism and Fascism are socialist but differ only in a manner of degree. Neither can be confused with free market capitalism. One example of an extremely hybrid system is present day China which has communist rule where any private business or industry can be nationalized by simple decree. Government approved oligarchies unobservant to the state, and limited free market capitalism.
     
  6. Recusant
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    It's an article of faith with many conservatives that Hitler was a socialist and fascism is a leftist ideology. We've seen that rubbish paraded around this site more than once before. Like any such faith-based ideation, no amount of reasonable counter-argument will make a dent. As Jonathan Swift noted: "Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired."
     
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  7. Mopar Dude

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    The application of a label has but one purpose and that is to anger. You may label a man a short, ugly, fascist, bigoted.... The choice of label is of no consequence. It serves no constructive purpose. And those that choose to use these labels are exactly those that are currently shredding our nation to its core.
     
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  8. SmalltownMN
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    Well said, sir. I agree 100%. I don't care if you're right, left, black, white, American, Chinese............doesn't matter to me. Are you a hard working, honorable person? Good enough for me, sit down and we'll chat a spell.
     
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  9. JoeNation
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    Fascism had tennents, practices, and a well documented history. It is far more than merely a label and cannot be dismissed simply as a semantic device. When any governments behaviors begins to resemble fascist methodologies, as they have in several countries throughout the world, only a fool would dismiss the rise as a label.
     
  10. FryDaddyJr

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    What if I'm not hard working, I just work smart, or inherited money?
     
  11. SmalltownMN
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    "I just work smart"..........that, most of the time, translates to "I'm lazy and don't want to put the time in" or "I'm going to cut corners and half ass things because I just want to get it done".

    "Inherited money"............you don't think that everyone should work hard at something regardless of how much they have?

    The second trait I called out you didn't even mention. I feel you do have to have the first trait to even be considered for the second.
     
  12. FryDaddyJr

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    you seem to live a rich online fantasy life if you think you can judge someone online like that :)
     
  13. SmalltownMN
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    SmalltownMN Active Member

    No, I think you just judged yourself.
     
  14. FryDaddyJr

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    a lot of people work hard and get nowhere. nothing honorable about it
     
  15. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    No wonder our nation is splitting apart at the seams.
     
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  16. SmalltownMN
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    SmalltownMN Active Member

    When I speak of "hard working", it doesn't even have to apply to a job. People work hard at their marriages. People work hard at being a mother or father. People work hard at just being a good person. In this, there is plenty of honor.
     
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  17. FryDaddyJr

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    what if they work hard like that and also work hard for AOC, Bernie or Biden?
     
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  18. SmalltownMN
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    SmalltownMN Active Member

    Geez, put the bong pipe down and try to put together a coherent sentence.
     
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  19. Mopar Dude

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    ROL....RFLO...... Awwee heck..... That's just plain funny as hell!!!!
     
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  20. JoeNation
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    Biden is trouncing Trump in all the polls right now.
     

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