First they came for the Socialists,.....

Discussion in 'Politics' started by JoeNation, May 8, 2012.

  1. JoeNation
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    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    This Martin Niemöller quote always reminds me of the Republicans because they feel just because they are not members of a minority, a union, a Muslim, poor, elderly of limited means, disabled, that none of the demographics that they turn their heads from will ever come to their doorstep because they are none of those categories.

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
    Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
    Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

    Updated slightly for today…
    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
    Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the Union members, and I did not speak out--
    Because I was not a Union member.
    Then they came for the Muslims, and I did not speak out--
    Because I was not a Muslim.
    Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
     
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  2. JoeNation
    Angelic

    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    Can anyone here seriously deny that the Right-wingers in this country HAVE vilified Socialists (real or imagined), Unions, and Muslims in an astounding similar manner as the Nazis vilified Socialists, Trade Unionists, and Jews?

    How does it feel to be playing the part of the Nazi supporters in this bizarre repeat of history?
     
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  3. Takiji

    Takiji Well-Known Member

    Well Socialists and union members and Muslims are all trying to destroy this country, aren't they. They deserve whatever they get. As long as you are a good Fascist American you've got nothing to worry about. But anybody who intentionally or inadvertently offends or scares the good Americans had better watch out.
     
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  4. IQless1
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    IQless1 trump supporters are scum

    That's the feeling I always get to, when thinking about what the republican political agenda is going for.

    "Personal responsibility" sounds good, and it has it's merits, but without compassion for those unable to care for themselves it becomes something vile.

    "Fiscal responsibility" also has merits, but cutting funding sources (such as taxes) ensures that programs will be underfunded...programs the poor relies on. Republican politics goes further though, and calls for drastic elimination of programs that help the poor. Again, where's the compassion?

    Abortions are nasty, but eliminating funding for it, or making it illegal, only increases the likelyhood that women will die as a result of poorly performed abortions in basements and alleys. It makes women go underground, and will not stop abortions from happening. At the same time republican politics dictate that the very instrument that will lessen the need for abortions, contraceptives, are to be fought against. That's about as idiotic a policy as you can get.

    ...and I could go on...
     
  5. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    But it's okay to attack Conservatives & Christians in your world, huh? Just trying to understand the "logic"
     
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  6. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

     
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  7. IQless1
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    IQless1 trump supporters are scum

    So, is it your view then that an 85 year old man... still working... is satisfactory, as is an 85 year old man... unable to work ...getting his SS benefit cut to the point he can't afford to heat his home, causing his death. That happens every Winter in Michigan, you know. And the 85 year old still working? Yeah well, if he didn't continue to work he couldn't afford to heat his home either. But that's fine with you right?
     
  8. JoeNation
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    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    Do you not find the almost parallel vilification of almost exactly the same groups the Nazi went after eerily similar to the groups being vilified by the Right today?

    That is my basic question here. Socialists, Unions, and a Religion. How could it be more similar to what the Nazis did except for switching Muslims for Jews?

    By the way, Hitler also cried persecution" during his rise to power.
     
  9. Takiji

    Takiji Well-Known Member

    If by "attack" you mean "criticize", you poor abused persecuted religious freak, then the answer would be yes. :) BTW Notice you've been throwing the word "logic" around quite a bit lately. Is this your bright shiny new vocabulary word for the month?
     
  10. JoeNation
    Angelic

    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    By David's "logic" is you do not agree with his Right-wing opinions or believe in his version of religion, you are "attacking" him and that justifies him attacking people as Socialists, attacking workers, women, Muslims, gays, and any other group that has a different opinion than he. What did gays do to Right-wingers in North Carolinda?

    He is still too cowardly to address or refute the similarities between the Right-wingers of today and the Nazi Party of Germany when it comes to vilifying entire groups...Almost exactly as the Nazis did it.
     
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  11. Andy

    Andy New Member

    [​IMG]Berlin-1942
    Amin Al Husseini spends WWII by Hitler's side.
     
  12. Andy

    Andy New Member

    November 1943 al-Husayni greeting Bosnian SS volunteers.
    [​IMG]
     
  13. Andy

    Andy New Member

    [​IMG]
    Mohammad Amin al-Husayni meeting with Heinrich Himmler (1943)
     
  14. Andy

    Andy New Member

    [​IMG]1. The Bosian Muslims were sided with the Nazi's as is shown with this battle flag with the sword of jihad along with the swastika

    2. Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, who I showed picture after picture with nazi buddies was The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and one of the founders of the terrorist oganization the Muslim Brotherhood.

    So where is the logic comparing the USA right wing today with the National Socialist Party, Nazi's of Germany's past?

    There is none.
     
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  15. JoeNation
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    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    I have a better question Andy...What the hell does any of this have to do with anything? What connection are you trying to make? Some Bosnian Muslim was friends with Hitler and this means what?
    My point is pretty clear. A guy that lived through the war in a concentration camp explained pretty succinctly that the Nazis came for the Socialists, they came for the Unionists, and then they came for the Jews. What does this Muslim guy have to do with anything?
    You again make absolutely no sense and can't or won't explain what you are trying to say. You simply show a couple of pictures and make some nonsense assumption that you fail to explain. If I were to try and guess I'd say that because some Bosnian Muslim guy sided with Hitler that somehow proves he was Leftist? Is that it? Even though as Niemöller clearly states the Nazis came for Socialists, they came for Unions, and they came for Jews and he was there.
     
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  16. Takiji

    Takiji Well-Known Member

    It's all in The Protocols of the Elders of Bagdad. Andy has the only copy.
     
  17. Takiji

    Takiji Well-Known Member

    The problem with gays is that we are always going on about this equality under the law garbage and that's what upsets people on the Right. If we'd only accept the fact that some citizens are and should be more equal than others they wouldn't have quite the issue with us that they do. But since we tend not to do that they are forced to remind us of our station now and then and pass laws designed to keep us in our place.
     
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  18. Andy

    Andy New Member

    Let me break it down for you. You logic is not logic but just rants.
    1. If you read your posts, you compared the American right wing to the German National Socialist Party or Nazi.
    2. You said that the American Right Wing is going after Muslims.
    3, The National Socialist Party was allied with the Muslims up until the very end when they all declared war on Germany inorder to be allowed into the UN. Look it up yourself.
    4. Your logic is then flawed for the if the National Socialist were friends with the muslims and used them to kill women and children in captured areas then how could the right wing be like nazis if the American Right wing does not like muslims according to you.
     
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  19. Andy

    Andy New Member

    Let me break it down for you.

    1. The National Socialist Party placed other leftists groups that they deemed as a threat into concentration camps or just shot them individually.
    The American Right Wing pays for TV commericals and dominated radio talk shows.

    2. The National Socialist Party went after a minority population that was pacifists for the most part.
    The American Right Wing is concerned about muslims who have attacked the United States, who are planning on attacking the United States, etc.

    The muslims are either the first or second largest religion in the world depending on whose numbers you follow, have the fastest growing population, is a world economic mover and shaker, and is an insult to those Jewish dead to compare FBI surveillance to the nazi death camps.
     
  20. Takiji

    Takiji Well-Known Member

    I think Joe was discussing attitudes and practices that authoritarian RWers seem to have in common with Nazis vis-a-vis minorities they dislike. The fact that American RWers happen to have a different view of Muslims than Nazis apparently did is irrelevant and misses the point.
     
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