Friendly question for all athiests (and those that are having a tough time believing)

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Phoenix21, Sep 1, 2008.

  1. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 New Member

    This isn't a snotty or a I know more than you question, this is just a question I'd like to ask ya'll. What is it about Jesus' life that makes you believe that He wasn't/isn't God? Forget the old testament, the flood, etc, (just for this second) what is it about the life of Jesus, that makes you believe He wasn't isn't God? This should lead to some interesting discussion. :)

    Phoenix :cool:
  2. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney ¿Quien sabes?

    Actually we appear to have a member that has invested upon themselves the authority to condemn others to hell. Next I expect them to say that they can split and multiply loaves of bread and fishes to feed the thousands. Walk on water, yep, that too. Cures for scrofula and leprosy, yep, TB, yep. Cancer, yep that too.:eek:
  3. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney ¿Quien sabes?

    I think it would be a remarkable accomplishment to be even 1/10th the human being that Jesus was.
  4. stainless

    stainless New Member

    While I still do believe, I do have a lot of questions...and none of them are about Jesus...I think he could have done all the miracles and the ressurection and stuff...when, of course you can get yourself to believe it did happen (which is the hard part since we have NO proof that it actually did)

  5. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney ¿Quien sabes?

    I am convinced, building on what Stainless has opined, that it is a normal thing for people to have questions. Some people believed to be very religious had the very same doubts etc. Gees, even Apostle Thomas apparently had doubts and questions, where we get the phrase "Doubting Thomas".:)
  6. clembo

    clembo Well-Known Member

    Good question Phoenix and all in books that have been around forever. How much change has gone on in those books? After all mankind passed down the words and we sure aren't perfect now are we?

    Jesus is Jesus. He's not God if there IS a God. He's the son of God if it's all true.

    The words written are quite powerful and insightful to this day. This is why you see me so often say "Do unto others". I don't care what religion, God(s) you may follow.

    Treat me right and I treat you right. Very simple actually.

    Now, if the morons that spread hate in the name of ANY religion could get this through their thick heads we'd all be better off now wouldn't we?

    I really doubt the vast majority of "religions" have been founded on hate but we sure as hell do a good job of making it that way don't we?
  7. Isa

    Isa Yasu

    People need to believe in god for they are afraid of death. Society needs a belief in god inorder for there to be enough struture to have a society. If the belief of god went away caos will rule.
  8. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney ¿Quien sabes?

    Even with a God, chaos seems to rule, just think about all the vile acts that human beings perform on a daily basis.
  9. invictus

    invictus New Member

    Why should I believe the Jesus you refer to ever existed at all?
  10. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Read the Bible - the King James Version,& you can find out for yourself.

  11. stainless

    stainless New Member

    suppose it is all not true

  12. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney ¿Quien sabes?

    Hey, Aidan, ¿Who gave you the authority to condemn others to hell?

    Don't flop around on the response, answer the freakin' question. It is not that hard. Perhaps you have conversations with God, a lot like Oral Roberts. If you really do, you will just state it.
  13. stainless

    stainless New Member

    Hehe....this may get good:D

    *grabs popcorn*
  14. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney ¿Quien sabes?

    Stainless, you are losing your bet. He claims my question is "untoward"!:eek:
  15. invictus

    invictus New Member

    You are far too credulous.

  16. stainless

    stainless New Member

    Also, why the KJV...if I read the NLT am I a Hell-bound?

  17. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney ¿Quien sabes?

    Geesus, you would think you would grab a cold one outta the reefer for this one, the snake slithers around, writhing in his miserous agonies, called to the carpet, but canna answer whom gave him the authority to condemn others to hell.:eek:
  18. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 New Member

    Okay, now we are questioning the historicalness (?) of Jesus. There is historical evidence of Jesus. There are many famous people that give reference to Jesus. Here are a few:

    "1. Thallus. (around 52 A.D.) Thallus take for granted the the existence of Jesus when he mentions the darkness which occurred at the Lord's crucifixion.

    Will Durant says about the middle of the first century, a pagan named Thallus, in a fragment preserved by Julius Africanus, argued that the abnormal darkness alleged to have accompined the death of Christ was a purely natural phenomenon and coincidence . Will Durant says the the argument took the existence of Christ for granted. Thallus never denied that Jesus never existed. "

    A little bit from the Historical Christian Evidences book. What's interesting is this is a pagan man, trying to disprove Jesus. But, in the process, just gave us proof that He existed.

    2. Mara Bar-Serapion. A manuscript in the British Museum preserves the text of a letter written some time after 73 A.D. It was sent by a Syrian name Mara Bar-Serapion, to his son, Serapion. In prison at the time of the writing, the father pleads for his son to be wise by illustrating the folly of persecuting such wise men as Socrates, Pythagoras, and Christ.

    "What advantage did the Athenians gain from putting Socrates to death?...... What advantage did the Samos gain for burning Pythagoras?..... What advantage did the Jews gain from executing there wise King?..... But Socrates did not die for good; he lived by the teaching of Plato. Pythagoras did not for good; he lived by the teaching of Hera. Nor did the wise King die for good; He lived on in the teaching which He had given."

    NOTE: He referse to Pythagoras, to Socrates, and to Jesus, but he does not refer to Jesus by name.

    The point is, that by sometime after 73 A.D., by the time that Serapion was writing to his song, Jesus Christ had already gained fame and stature equal twith that of men like Socrates and Pythagoras showing that Jesus what a real person of history!

    Also quoted from the same book.

    There are others, but I believe that those two are proof enough that Jesus was a real, living person. That He indeed walk this earth, teach, and die on a cross. We get all that from those bits from history.

    Phoenix :cool:
  19. clembo

    clembo Well-Known Member

    Two key words Phoenix.

    Book and person.

    Powerful book(s) and powerful person. All twisted by man's interpretations.

    Do unto others.
  20. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 New Member

    Pardon my ignorance clembo, but I think I'm missing your meaning? Lol, sorry, I just don't grasp what you're saying. (and it's probably very obvious too, I'm just missing it. :))

    Phoenix :cool:

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