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Discussion in 'Politics' started by JoeNation, Nov 20, 2019.
This is Trump's John Dean moment.
In his own words.... I'm sure that he is a "Never Trumper"
Wait a second..... Has his story not changed along the way?
Yes, he eventually admitted what he should have admitted all along. He didn't reverse anything, he simply filled in his omissions. Time to destroy him too I guess.
Now Joe, that's not where I am going here. I am all about justice served when due. I mean that. I just seem to remember that this man's deposition read differently. But the thing that seems oddly skewed in this is that Shiff would call a recess on the heels of Sondlands testimony so that he could address the press before any response to Sondland could be offered. To me, that reeks of political grandstanding...... I am at the office and gleaning what I can from web news so I may be off base. But this don't sound on the up and up to me.
I wasn't referring to you when I said time to destroy him, I was referring to Trump and the GOP. Trump has already stated that he barely knew Sondland. Where have we heard that before?
Well, as everything in this inquiry, all Sondland could provide is "a personal guess" about Quid Pro Quo
Trump isn't toast by any means. He still enjoys overwhelming support from Republican voters, and the bootlicking Republican politicians in Congress are going to prevent him suffering any consequences in the near future for his blatant malfeasance. There is a very good chance that he will get reelected.
I respect your abilities to consider unfavorable possibilities if they seem to be the most likely.
At least you are acknowledging reality, which more than came be said for many Democrats. The impeachment proceedings that Adam Schiff has conducted have strengthened Trump’s re-election bid, not diminished it. If Schiff had made the process look more fair, he might have made some headway, but he’s done has energized the president’s base. A lot of us a really PO’d about the way these proceedings have been run.
Yeah, those off-year elections are playing right into your hands aren't they? Mua-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!
Here I am in my office trying to maintain a "boss-like" demeanor.... This just made me laugh like a danged hyena.
In your opinion, what might Schiff have done to make the process "look more fair"?
Thank you, thank you...I'm here every Thursday.
He could have allowed the Republicans to call their witnesses for a start. He blocked them all.
He could have allowed the Republicans lawyers to have cross examined witnesses in his secret "star chamber" hearings.
He could have not leaked negative information to the press while withholding any information that might have been favorable to the president. People say that Schiff’s closed hearings were like a Grand Jury. No, they weren’t. Anyone who leaks information from a Grand Jury proceeding is subject to prosecution and even jail time.
Here is the text of the 6th Amendment to the Constitution:
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Schiff has routinely ignored many aspects of this basic right.
But, come on, I don't need to tell you this. You knew it already. Like your hero, Adam Schiff, your position is that Trump is guilty until he's proven guilty, and you don't get guilty this time, you have another story to tell the continue the harassment and try to find him guilty.
Incorrect. Kurt Volker, David Hale, and Tim Morrison were all on the Republican list of witnesses they wanted to be called.
That is a misrepresentation of what occurred. In the closed door hearings, neither side used staff counsel. It's not as if the Democrats had lawyers asking the questions, but refused to allow the Republicans to do the same. Representatives from both parties were accorded equal time for their questions. (source)
The Republicans who attended the hearings could have "leaked" whatever information they thought showed Trump in a good light to the press. Strangely, they didn't.
The Sixth Amendment is not applicable to impeachment, which is laid out in Article II, Section 4 of the US Constitution. Impeachment is not a criminal trial, and I think you are perfectly well aware of that.
You can continue attempting to make unfounded claims about what I think and what you imagine my allegiance to be, but you only bring discredit upon yourself by doing so. At this point, I consider it a either a demonstration of bad faith on your part, or it's simply that you are incapable of understanding that it's not only Democrats who don't support the despicable lout in the White House and his Republican toadies. By all means carry on.
Well said but an all to easy target in @JohnHamilton.