Hamas vs Fatah

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Moen1305, Dec 18, 2006.

  1. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

  2. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

  3. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    You ever notice that there is no difference between Rube's opinion and "The facts"? At least in his mind. O.K. Rube back to cut-and-paste. And by the way, if you are under the impression that pasting other peoples writings makes you look intelligent, you truely are a Rube. :computer:
     
  4. Danr

    Danr New Member

    those credentials make him MORE dangerous than Duke. We all know Duke is a clown, but this guy can fan the fires of hate and maintain some credibility. Those are the straight facts.:hammer: :hammer:
     
  5. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    You got to be kidding Moen.
    From your introduction to this thread it was clear that it was an underhanded manner to attack Israel within your comment and I quote "....take care of the population of the West Bank and Gaza while being bombed relentlessly by the Israelis."

    Well you got what you wanted another thread that leads to the attack on Israel. Why after all why should 5 million or so Jews have their own country. Why it is not fair to the 1 billion and 300 million muslims of the world that for the most part live in muslim states that for the most part were conquered with the bloody sword of Islam over the past fourteen hundred years or so. Funny how the left hates the jewish state of Israel and Christians who not only say they are Christian but live a Christian life of values and morals. Yet they embrace the muslim cause which is ironic for the first thing the muslims would do once they gain power in this nation is convert the members of the left that they couldn't convert to Allah or Baal or whatever they want to call it god of death today.
     
  6. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    Your being more than your usual dishonest and fullish self. David Dukes insists that 'Negro's' are racially inferior peoples. Please find the the equivilent unsustantiated and bigots statement from Danial Pipes. Either that or admit your a bigot.

    Ruben
     
  7. Danr

    Danr New Member

    he finds behaviours that are not the norm and represents them as mainstream Muslim behaviour. He is way more sophicated than Duke, and on that we agree, but he is hater.
     
  8. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    He's a hater and that makes him David Duke? Then I'm also David Duke and everyone else I know is David Duke because its right and good to hate Islamofacism, suicide bombers, and people who would kill me and my family given half a moment to do so.

    Other than that, you bring NO EVIDENCE as to Pipes being David Duke like, or for that matter even being a bigot. The only thing Daniel Pipes is guilty of is affectively argueing against Islamofacist, where there be in CAIR, Hamas, the Saudi Arabian Royal family, or an American congressman like Cynthia McKinney.

    Ruben
     
  9. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Andy! Andy! Andy! (in Barney Fife's voice) You came back after all this time just for that silly rant. I'm disappointed in you. If you knew me at all or even read through my most recent posts in this thread, you'd have come to the conclusion the I neither hate nor love Israel or the Muslims. However, what I and Drus have witnessed over and over, is that it is impossible to say anything whatsoever about Israel, even if at the same time you say it about Muslims, that is in any way disparaging without certain people here accusing you of being an anti-semite. You can level no criticism of the state of Israel or you hate the Jews. I feel far more threaten by certain contigents of the Muslim population than any Israeli could ever make me feel but that doesn't excuse any excesses on the Israelis part or make them perfect.

    My original posting was about the Palestinians fighting amongst themselves and fighting Israel at the same time. I really could have not cared less about how Israel was going to affect this situation but suddenly it became about Israel and certainly not by me. I guess it's true that we see the devil where we already believe him to be not actually where he is.

    You think The Left is against Israel. Tell Barbra Streisand that please. Jews vote in overwhelming numbers for The Left. I think you might have your left and right confused again. Just because some are so blinded by their support of Israel that they can see no fault in it's methods and practices doesn't mean that the rest of us can't. I guess I could say it one more time-like that will do any good. I don't support Israel over the Arabs in any way or vice versa. I see equal amounts of stupid violence on both sides and so would anyone else not truly blinded by a fixated devotion to one side or the other. You can open your eyes and ears now, I'm done. :desk:
     
  10. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Cynthia McKinney (D-Conspiracy)
    From the January 3 / January 10, 2005 issue: She's back.
    by Matthew Continetti
    01/03/2005, Volume 010, Issue 16


    THE INCOMING REPRESENTATIVE FROM GEORGIA'S 4th congressional district is the outspoken Cynthia McKinney. She is a Democrat, she is 49 years old, and she has held the job before. She held it for a decade, in fact, from 1992, when she became the first black woman elected to Congress from Georgia, to 2002--when, she says, the "hostile corporate media," allied with Republicans, "repeated falsehoods" about her, "distorted" her positions, and drove her from "my seat."

    That is McKinney's explanation for her 2002 primary defeat, and she is sticking to it. But there are other explanations. Her father, Georgia state legislator Billy McKinney, shared his version with an Atlanta television reporter on August 19, 2002, the night before she lost. The reporter had asked Billy McKinney about his daughter's use of a years-old, moth-balled endorsement from former Atlanta mayor Andrew Young. Such endorsements were worthless, the elder McKinney replied, because "Jews have bought everybody. Jews." In case the reporter didn't understand, he spelled the word: "J-E-W-S." (A few weeks later, in a runoff against a political neophyte, Billy McKinney became a former Georgia state legislator.)

    The actual reason why Cynthia McKinney left Congress in 2002 was that, for once, she couldn't outrun her mouth. She had walked along the cutting edge of progressive politics for years--appearing with Louis Farrakhan, calling globalization a "cruel hoax," advocating for Zimbabwean dictator Robert Mugabe--but then, in a March 25, 2002, interview on KPFA Pacifica radio, she suddenly fell off.

    "We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11," McKinney said that day. "What did this administration know and when did it know it, about the events of September 11? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered? What do they have to hide?" McKinney thought she knew the answer. "What is undeniable," she explained, "is that corporations close to the administration have directly benefited from the increased defense spending arising from the aftermath of September 11th."

    It was all downhill from there. On April 12, 2002, a synopsis of the interview appeared in the Washington Post. Democrats began distancing themselves from McKinney. She released a statement admitting she was "not aware of any evidence" proving "President Bush or members of his administration have personally profited from the attacks of 9/11," but "a complete investigation might reveal that to be the case." Then again, it might not. For that matter, McKinney might have had no idea what she was talking about.

    Appearing in print just months after the September 11 attacks, McKinney's charges couldn't be excused. Nor could her list of campaign donors, which included both terrorist sympathizers like Abdurahman Alamoudi, the former executive director of the American Muslim Council, and apparent actual terrorists like former college professor Sami Al-Arian. Nor could her October 12, 2001, letter to Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal, in which she rebuked New York mayor Rudy Giuliani for returning the prince's post-9/11 "gift" of $10 million and urged bin Talal to donate the funds to "charities outside the mayor's control," especially those that dealt with "poor blacks who sleep on the street in the shadows of our nation's Capitol." Giuliani had returned the Saudi's money because it came with the implicit condition that America "address some of the issues that led to such a criminal [9/11] attack," among them "its policies in the Middle East," where "our Palestinian brethren continue to be slaughtered at the hands of Israelis while the world turns the other cheek." To Giuliani, such a statement made excuses for terrorism. This wasn't a problem for McKinney.

    And why should it have been? Her bent for conspiracy theories and racebaiting had never cost her politically. When she said in 1996 that "we need to get the government out of the drug business," she was not talking about a possible prescription drug benefit. Whether it was the time she told USA Today that "My impression of modern-day black Republicans is they have to pass a litmus test in which all black blood is extracted," or the time she accused Al Gore of having a low "Negro tolerance level," she emerged unscathed from the ensuing kerfuffles. Facing a tough race in 1996, McKinney said Georgia Republicans like her opponent John Mitnick were "neo-Confederates" remaindered from "Civil War days." Amazingly, McKinney ignored the fact that Mitnick was Jewish.

    Her father did not. Over and over again, Billy McKinney called Mitnick a "racist Jew." As Slate's Chris Suellentrop noticed, when the New York Times asked Billy McKinney to elaborate on his comments, he simply repeated that Mitnick "is a racist Jew, that's what he is, isn't he?" The controversy over Billy McKinney's comments lasted weeks. Disgraced, he resigned from his daughter's campaign. That year, Cynthia McKinney won 58 percent of the vote.

    In 2002, though, thanks to McKinney's interview with Pacifica radio, the tiny streams of anti-McKinney criticism that had been collecting in pools for years turned into a flood. The September 11 attacks were vibrant and terrifying memories when McKinney accused the president of profiting from them. Remember, too, that when McKinney accused the president of being a calculating war profiteer, his approval rating was over 75 percent.

    But times change. Two years later, McKinney is still her old self, while the world has become a lot more accommodating to loony theories about President Bush. Apparently her own district is no exception. The 4th District this year was an open seat; Denise Majette, who defeated McKinney in 2002, decided to run for the Senate instead, but McKinney still faced five opponents in last summer's Democratic primary and dispatched them all without a runoff. And while she avoided making any controversial statements, and politely deflected criticism of things she had said in the past, her conspiracism and racialism were still there beneath the surface.

    Occasionally they would bubble up. McKinney is defensive about the Pacifica interview, and there are links on her campaign website to two articles by the left-wing BBC journalist Greg Palast that attempt to absolve her of conspiracy-mongering. One of these articles is entitled "The Screwing of Cynthia McKinney." The other is entitled "Re-lynching Cynthia McKinney." Palast writes that McKinney has never actually said President Bush had foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks. Which is true. She hasn't. She's just implied it repeatedly.

    What's striking about McKinney's website is that, even as it attempts to "debunk" a variety of "misinformation" about her, it also takes great pains to claim vindication for that same misinformation. There is a link, for example, to "Exposed: The Carlyle Group," a 48-minute documentary that purports to reveal "the depth of corruption and deceit within the highest ranks of our government." There is a link to an article in the South DeKalb County CrossRoads News entitled "Where is Cynthia McKinney During 9/11 Hearings?" in which the author describes being "enraged" that McKinney was not included in the public hearings of the 9/11 Commission, since she "was the only elected official who had the guts" to "bring President Bush's war profiting scheme to the light."

    A few links more, and you wind up at McKinney's speech "Democracy Is Under Attack--Let's take it Back." The speech is a sort of lodestone for McKinniacs. It is a rambling series of remarks delivered at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in Harlem in July 2003. It is an angry speech. "I can't be calm when I drive through sections of Atlanta that look more like Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of Congo, than America," McKinney explains. Yet the speech is notable mainly for the way in which it references McKinney's conspiracy theorist guru, a man named Michael Ruppert.

    Michael Ruppert is a former LAPD detective who is best known for his theories on CIA drug trafficking. Those theories--namely, that the CIA was behind the crack cocaine epidemic in America's inner cities--briefly made headlines in mainstream newspapers in 1996, and Ruppert is hoping for a sequel. Since 9/11, he has toured the country discussing how the Bush administration, Enron, Israeli intelligence, the Pakistani ISI, the Saudis, and Osama bin Laden were behind the terrorist attacks. Ruppert's theories are lucrative. Chip Berlet, who studies conspiracism as a senior analyst at Public Research Associates, a progressive group, told me that Ruppert speaks regularly to sold-out crowds.

    "As you may know, I'm involved with Mike Ruppert of From the Wilderness," McKinney says in her "Democracy Is Under Attack" speech. From the Wilderness is the title of Ruppert's newsletter and website. McKinney probably got the idea that the USS Abraham Lincoln was "really in San Diego harbor" when Bush landed on it in May 2003 from Ruppert. So, too, her idea that Bush and his friends stood to profit from the 9/11 attacks, which she expands upon in another manifesto, the March 2002 "Thoughts on Our War Against Terrorism":

    Former President Bush sits on the board of the Carlyle Group. The Los Angeles Times reports that on a single day last month, Carlyle earned $237 million selling shares in United Defense Industries, the Army's fifth-largest contractor. The stock offering was well timed: Carlyle officials say they decided to take the company public only after the Sept. 11 attacks.

    Such ideas figure prominently in The Truth and Lies of 9/11, a videotaped lecture that Ruppert delivered at Portland State University on November 28, 2001. The lecture is 135 minutes long. It feels much longer. In it, Ruppert talks about the CIA, the Bush administration, the Carlyle Group, UNOCAL oil pipelines in Afghanistan, the Mossad, and--go figure--orange juice. The bottom line is that the Bush administration knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance and allowed them to happen for profit. Also, the "world financial system" is on the brink of "collapse."

    In its apocalyptic overtones, in its internationalist plot, in its view that apparent enemies are secretly collaborating, Ruppert's The Truth and Lies of 9/11 is a textbook conspiracy theory. It is also a vehicle for Cynthia McKinney. She utters the penultimate line, and it's a doozy. "The American people," she says, "might have a criminal syndicate running their government."

    "It's a sinkhole," said Chip Berlet, when I first asked him about these conspiracy theories. He sounded a note of regret about McKinney. "A lot of McKinney's complaints about the government are standard progressive fare."

    But which ones? Her conspiracy theories, or her hard-left politics? In truth, the line between the two is increasingly difficult to discern. I bought my copy of The Truth and Lies of 9/11 last June, at the "Take Back America" conference for progressive and Democratic activists in Washington, D.C. In a ballroom nearby, in earshot of the bookstand where Ruppert's video was being sold, Hillary Clinton and George Soros delivered keynote speeches. A few weeks after the conference, Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, which glibly hints at possible government foreknowledge of the terrorist attacks, was screened for the Senate Democratic caucus at the Uptown Theater in Washington. The film received a standing ovation.

    Maybe all of this helps explain why Cynthia McKinney got her seat back. Maybe when McKinney shared her disturbing theories about President Bush in 2002, she was not so much falling off the edge of progressive politics as anticipating it. And she shows no signs of slowing down. "I will probably get in trouble for what I've said to you tonight," McKinney told her audience at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in 2003. "But it won't be the first time I get in trouble for telling the truth. And I'll continue to tell the truth. As I have said before, I won't sit down and I won't shut up." Too bad.

    Matthew Continetti is a reporter at The Weekly Standard.

    © Copyright 2006, News Corporation, Weekly Standard, All Rights Reserved.
     
  11. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Daniel Pipes' Weblog
    Cynthia McKinney's Arab and Islamist Donors

    July 9, 2004



    Cynthia McKinney.

    We all knew that Cynthia McKinney would be drawing on Arab and Muslim supporters in her bid to return to Congress, but a listing of contributors (with information up through June 28) reveals to what an extraordinary extent this is the case, as shown by the names of her backers.

    Of particular note is the who's who of radical organizations her donors are associated with:

    Hani Y. Awadallah – president, Arab American Civic Organization, New Jersey.

    Jesse Aweida – co-founder, American Task Force on Palestine.

    Belal Dalati – a vice president of Arab-American Broadcasting Co. (Orange County Register, February 19, 2002) associated with the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

    Hasan Elkhatib –member, board of directors, American Islamic Educational Foundation (MetroWest Jewish News, October 10, 1996)

    Yaser Elmenshawy - chairman, Islamic Council of New Jersey.

    Rafeeq Jaber – president, Islamic Association for Palestine, a Hamas offshoot.

    Oussama Jammal – president, Bridgeview Mosque.

    Samer Khalaf – chairman, American-Arab Anti Discrimination Committee's Political Outreach Committee in New Jersey.

    Faroque Khan – president, Islamic Center of Long Island, also connected to the American Muslim Alliance and Islamic Society of North America.

    Mahmoud A Nimer - member, board of directors, Islamic Academy of Florida, Tampa (an Islamic school established by Sami al-Arian; al-Arian's indictment indicates the school was used as a base of support for the Palestinian Islamic Jihad).

    Ayman Osman - member, board of directors, Islamic Academy of Florida, Tampa; employer of Hatem Fariz, arrested on terrorism charges and charged with being a member of Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

    Talat Othman - former chairman of the Islamic Free Market Institute; secretary/treasurer of the American Task Force on Palestine.

    Khalid Qazi – former president, American Muslim Council of western New York State.

    Hareth Raddawi - member, board of directors, American-Arab Anti Discrimination Committee, Chicago.

    Allam Reheem - former member, board of directors, Islamic Academy of Florida, Tampa.

    Talal Sunbulli – former chairman, Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater Chicago.

    James Zogby – president, Arab American Institute.

    In addition, the American-Arab Anti Discrimination Committee gave $1,000.

    Such an outpouring of extremist support comes as no shock; as Erick Stakelbeck documents in today's New York Post, "McKinney has long associated with militant Islamic groups whose members have openly supported terrorism," plus "she has taken to the floor of the House to defend them."

    Comment: Georgia holds its primary on July 20; should McKinney win it, as seems likely, radical Arab and Muslim causes will have achieved their first significant electoral victory in the United States. (July 9, 2004)

    July 21, 2004 update: "This victory means that her constituents missed her. She is a great lady, and I am delighted she won [the primary]." So gloated Abed Hammoud, president of the Dearborn, Mich.-based Arab-American Political Action Committee, as quoted in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

    Aug. 23, 2004 update: I admit to being a bit behind the news on this, but two years ago, on Aug. 1, 2002 "Indepundit" posted a listing with $13,850 in campaign contributions to McKinney given on 9/11 itself – yes, that date – as listed at OpenSecrets.org (unfortunately, the link to individual contributions there no longer works, only to the summaries; for a complete listing of McKinney's 2001 donors, see the posting a FreeRepublic.com). I have helpfully starred all those who have since August 2002 found themselves in trouble with the law:

    Waseem Ahmed, a physician from Las Vegas, donated $250.

    * Abdurahman Alamoudi, the Director of the American Muslim Foundation, donated $2,000.

    Abdulwahab Alkebsi, Executive Director of the Islamic Institute, donated $700.

    * Abdelhaleem Ashqar, a Howard University professor, donated $250.

    Nihad Awad, Director of the Council on American Islamic Relations, donated $500.

    Khaliq Baig of Las Vegas donated $500.

    Yaser Bushnaq, a computer consultant from Falls Church, VA, donated $500.

    Bashir Chowdhry of Las Vegas donated $500.

    Shaheen Chowdhry of Las Vegas donated $250.

    Atif Fareed, a Southwest Airlines pilot from Henderson, NV, donated $1,000.

    Donna Genena of Las Vegas donated $500.

    Osama Haikal, a physician from Henderson, NV, donated $500.

    Faisal Hasan, a lobbyist for CarFax, donated $600.

    Hassan Ibrahim of Centreville, MD, donated $1,000.

    Ray Irani, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer of Occidental Petroleum, donated $1,000.

    Sabah Jabri of San Diego donated $250.

    * Yaqub Mirza, President of Mar Jac Investments, donated $500.

    Ahmed Monib of Las Vegas donated $250.

    Mohamed Omeish, Vice President of the American Muslim Foundation, donated $500.

    Sayed Qazi, a Las Vegas physician, donated $1,000.

    Yousef Saleh of Springfield, VA, donated $300.

    * Ahmad Totonji of Herndon, VA, donated $1,000.

    Looking over this same 2002 financial data, Thomas B. Edsall of the Washington Post concluded that "At least three-quarters of the $234,299 that McKinney has raised from individuals this year is from donors with Muslim or Arab American surnames, the great majority of whom live outside her district." And Niraj Warikoo reports in the Detroit Free Press that McKinney "is strongly backed by Arab and Muslim groups for her outspoken support of Palestinian rights. During a private dinner of shish kebab in West Bloomfield[, Michigan] this month, Muslim donors gave more than $20,000 to her campaign."

    This outpouring of support may have had to do with the enthusiastic backing McKinney won from Islamist organizations. For example, the political action committee belonging to the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) sent out an e-mail message in July 2002 titled "CAIR-PAC Urges Support for Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney." It includes the following unrestrained text:

    Dear Friends:

    Take a real step now towards POLITICAL EMPOWERMENT of the American Muslim community.

    Write your check to "McKinney for Congress". In the memo line, please write "Friends of CAIR-PAC" …

    Background:

    Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (D-4th, Georgia), who is arguably the strongest supporter of issues of concern to the American Muslim community, urgently needs our help to win re-election. She has consistently and unflinchingly supported a balanced US foreign policy in the Middle East and has opposed lopsided bills that harm the interests of America, Israel and the Muslim world. She is a strong defender of civil liberties of all Americans and is known throughout the world as the voice of the voiceless - the champion of human rights. She has condemned racial profiling of any and all Americans and has consistently spoken out against the Secret Evidence Act and other legislative measures which seek to discriminate against certain racial minorities in this country. She is also the first and only African-American woman ever elected to Congress from the state of Georgia. …

    Take REAL ACTION now to help Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney win re-election.

    WE MUST STAND BY THOSE WHO STAND BY US!

    Now is the time to step forward and MAKE A DIFFERENCE by donating to Congresswoman McKinney's campaign. She needs this help TODAY to defeat an opponent who will staunchly oppose a balanced and fair US foreign policy in the Middle East.

    Act now and save a friend and supporter of our community and its issues. A win for McKinney is not only a win for the Muslim community but it is also a vital victory for those in Israel and the greater world community who also want peace and justice in the Middle East. Her victory will also give strength to those other members of Congress who also want to vote their conscience on issues relating to the Middle East.

    Aug. 4, 2006 update: McKinney faces a tough primary challenge from Hank Johnson and in a televised debate with, he mentioned the "Arab surnames" of some McKinney and then stated, "I could accuse her of being under the control of terrorists, but I won't."

    Aug. 8, 2006 update: McKinney is not just seeking Islamist donors but also Islamist interns. Here, from the home page of the Muslim Public Service Network, is her announcement:

    Congresswoman Cynthia Mckinney seeking interns

    The Office of Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) is presently seeking energetic, intellient, hard-working, politically savvy college students to work as non-paid Interns for the Spring, Summer or Fall semesters of 2006. For Spring 2006, the intern(s) need to begin work on January 9, 2006. If you are interested, please contact Asantewaa Nkrumah-Ture at 202-225-1605 or at asantewaa.nkrumahture@mail.house.gov
     
  12. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Bush's Balfour Declaration
    by Prof. Hani Y. Awadallah
    President of The Arab American Civic Organization
    Paterson, NJ
    April 22, 2004

    The Wholesale agreement of President George W. Bush with the Sharon plan of "disengagement" with the Palestinians reflects the real character of the man: an arrogant, ignorant, inept, brash, untrustworthy opportunist, who does not keep his word.

    This behavior, in fact, has crystallized and strengthened the allegations of his detractors, who knew him closely like Paul O'Neill, his former secretary of the treasury, and Richard Clark, his former head of the counterintelligence agency.

    Only two days before Bush stood beaming with Sharon in the White House, endorsing his outlandish ideas, he stood with president Husni Mubarak of Egypt in Crawford, Texas, declaring that the solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has to come through negotiations between the parties themselves, as envisioned by the Road Map peace plan.

    That peace plan was put forth by the so-called quartet: The United States, the European Union, Russia and the United Nations.

    So he did not only back off his promises to the Egyptian president of two days earlier, but embarrassed himself and our country, by standing diametrically opposed to his obligations in the Road Map, and all international treaties and resolutions regarding the Middle East, which all previous American endorsed. Not the least of these resolutions, United Nations Resolution 194, approved in 1948, which states that the Palestinian refugees (those expelled from Palestine by the Zionist gangs, upon the establishment of Israel), should be allowed to return to their former homes or receive compensation. The United States was a signatory to all of these resolutions. And now, with the president blessing the Sharon Plan, he is in fact, abrogating the responsibility of the United States to its international obligations. In the words of Yuval Steinitz, a Likud member of the Knesset who heads the foreign affairs and defense committee: "Although the Road Map is the American plan, the president agreed to endorse another plan which is inconsistent with the Road Map."

    The president, not only infuriated the Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims, but his partners in the Road Map as well, the Europeans. That's why the next day after his declarations in Washington, the Europeans, in consort, announced that all the declarations from Washington are not binding, and that no government, or a leader of a government, has the right to negotiate on behalf of the Palestinians, except the Palestinians themselves.

    One would ask, how could the president be so shamelessly careless!? The answer could be: despair. Seeing his administration caught in all the lies about the reasons for the invasion of Iraq unraveling one after the other, and watching his ratings slipping day by day, after the Sep.11 hearing uncovered all the shallowness, the innuendoes and the spin which permeated his administration, before and after the tragedy, he determined to go all out for his hard core supporters, the neoconservative Christian right, and the most avid of intransigent Zionists, without paying any attention to our international commitments, let alone our moral obligations.

    The president's unjust wholesale support for Sharon, if it stands, leaves the Palestinian people with no option for a solution but the armed struggle, since it will leave Palestinians with only 9.8% of British-mandated Palestine, which the Palestinians owned 98.3% of. Not even the most moderate of Palestinians would accept that, let alone the hard liners and the rejectionists.

    In the words of the gloating Sharon, "The Palestinians were dealt a lethal blow." The declaration infuriated the 1.2 billion Muslims of the world to the point that a recent survey found only 6% of them view the United States favorably.

    It's indeed sad, that the name of an American president, George W. Bush, who represents the land of the free, the land of Washington, Madison, Jefferson and Lincoln, would be associated with the despotic declaration of April 14, 2004. This declaration will always come back to haunt George W. Bush, just like the infamous British Balfour Declaration of Nov.2, 1917 in which " His Majesty's government looked with favor for the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine." The irony, in both declarations, is that he who does not own, gave to whom who does not deserve, while the title-carrier of the land was left a homeless refugee, with no hope to regain his rights, but fight.
     
  13. Danr

    Danr New Member

    Simply put: not all Muslims are "islamofacists" and the term itself is reflective of a pretty ugly attitude toward another faith.
     
  14. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    Simply put, your full of crap. That is the second time you accused me without any evidence of saying that "all Muslims" are Islmaofacists. The first time I just ignored it. This time I'll call you out on it. I never said that and for damn sure Pipes never said that. You, however, because your full of crap and have been since the start of this thread, throw that out there and hope it sticks. Just as you've thrown a bunch of crap out there hoping it would stick.

    As for the term, Islamofacist, GET USED TO IT. It is a completely coherent and correct term used as the description of the use of mainstream Islamic religion to perpetrate crimes against humanity, terrorism, and hated of Jews in particularly.

    Pipes is not the bigot here. But it seems that you are. To take my words and twist them in support of Islamofacists is pretty damn sick... and bigoted.

    If you want to take task on a term which has just been made up out of thin air, try Islamophobia. If fear of Islamofacists is a disease and a form of bigotry, it sure as hell is a healthy one.

    Ruben
     
  15. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

  16. Danr

    Danr New Member

    As you may recall it is a despicable practice to caricature a race or a faith to further your political ends. Recent history has a particularly painful example of that practice, you may recall it. I will stand up and say never again where ever I see the practice.
     
  17. Danr

    Danr New Member

    Ruben I may completely wrong about you (and I hope I am), but if you are one of these "nuke Mecca" types you really ought to rethink it.
     
  18. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Whatever. Pipes hasn't suggested that.
     
  19. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    At least 90 wounded in rocket attacks; second woman dies
    posted Jul 13, 2006 0:00 by: mybrooklyn


    Katyusha rockets landed in the northern Israeli towns of Karmiel, Hatzor, and Majd el-Kurum, as well as several other communities, throughout the north on Thursday afternoon.
    At least 28 people were wounded in Majd el-Kurum - two moderately and seven from shrapnel. Others were lightly wounded and suffering from shock.
    At least 90 Israelis have been wounded since the onset of Operation Just Reward Wednesday afternoon.
    Residents of Safed, Rosh Pina Hatzor and Karmiel were ordered to enter bomb shelters and fortified rooms on Thursday afternoon, as other residents of the north were ordered to do earlier.
    The calls came after Katyushas fell in Safed's immigration center, old marketplace, Safed College and the Amit Center.
    Some 21 Safed residents were wounded. At least two people were wounded at the immigration center. Two people were seriously wounded from shrapnel, while some were lightly wounded, and many more were in shock.
    MDA teams were treating the wounded at the scene and evacuating in ambulances to the city's Ziv Hospital (telephone 1255161, 04-6828621 for the hearing impaired).
    A 70-year-old Safed woman died of her wounds after arriving at the hospital, raising the civilian death toll to two.
    Hospitals throughout the North were ordered to raise their readiness level to Level Three, the second highest possible. Medical teams were being ordered to remain at their posts in expectation of continued Katyusha strikes.
    Earlier, on Thursday morning, one woman was killed and 29 were wounded - one seriously - when four Hizbullah-fired Katyusha rockets landed in central Nahariya. The woman was killed while sitting on her fifth-floor balcony. A rocket hit a floor above, cut through the ceiling and killed her.
    A short while later, two Katyusha rockets fell near Kibbutz Hagoshrim. Buildings in the area shook from the impact.
    Visitors were refusing to leave the hotel in the kibbutz and reservations were reportedly being canceled.
    Some 60 katyushas have been fired into northern Israel since Thursday morning.
    Many northern residents have begun leaving the area, fearing more attacks.
    At Nahariya Hospital, patients were moved to secure rooms on lower floors, and about 60 expectant mothers were taken to underground shelters, said hospital deputy director Moshe Daniel. He said elective surgery has been halted. "We are on very high alert," Daniel told Israel Radio. "We are prepared."
    Nahariya Mayor Jackie Sabag said the whole town has shut down, with businesses closed. Sabag urged all residents to comply with army orders to stay in underground shelters.
    All soldiers serving in Northern Command Headquarters in Safed also went down to shelters due to Katyusha attacks.
    Katyushas also fell on Thursday morning in Kfar Nasi in the Galilee and in Kibbutz Mahanayim, and along with the rockets in Karmiel, signified an increase in the range of Katyusha rockets to 20-30 kilometers. There were no immediate reports of casualties in the attacks. Hizbullah said that in some of its attacks it was using a rocket called "Thunder 1" for the first time, which may have a longer range than older Katyushas.
    On Thursday morning alone, there were confirmed Katyusha attacks on Nahariya, Rosh Pina, Kibbutz Hagoshrim, Kibbutz Mishmar Hayarden, Gadot, Kfar Nasi, Beit Hillel, Kibbutz Mahanayim, Kibbutz Kabri, Mount Hermon, Netiv Haasarah, Mount Meron, Shlomi, Zar'it.
    By the afternoon, rockets hit Karmiel, Safed, Hatzor, and Majd el-Kurum as well.
    "This is a new situation. The residents of Israel need to know that we are going into a period that will require resilience," Minister Issac Herzog said after the emergency cabinet meeting late Wednesday night.
    According to Herzog, Israel is holding Lebanon responsible for the attack, which was carried out from its territory.
     
  20. Danr

    Danr New Member

    be honest have you ever suggested nuking Mecca?
     

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