ISIS Claims Responsibility For Bombing In Manchester

Discussion in 'Politics' started by CoinOKC, May 23, 2017.

  1. CoinOKC

    CoinOKC Donald Trump For President In 2020

    My prayers to all the victims of this latest, senseless attack.

    Whereas obama called ISIS a "JV" team and treated them more as a pest or a nuisance, President Trump realizes the threat they truly are and has ordered the Pentagon to annihilate ISIS. "Annihilate".. as in wiping them from the face of the earth.

    This should have been done during the obama administration. If so, the innocent children killed in this latest attack would be alive today.

    But, as we know, obama was more interested in singing Al Green songs, playing basketball and making jokes in front of mirrors than he was about confronting ISIS.

    Thankfully, those days are over. President Trump is serious about annihilating ISIS. It will undoubtedly be a long, difficult task, but everyone should stand behind our President when it comes to this serious, deadly, global threat.

    Let's do everything we possibly can to see that an attack like this never occurs again.
  2. JoeNation

    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    ISIS claims responsibility for EVERYTHING. Way to use a tragedy to push your political agenda. Why don't you quote your "prayers" for the rest of us. I'm sure Clinton and Obama come up more than once.

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  3. toughcoins

    toughcoins Well-Known Member

    That's right . . . just like Dissident Obama claimed credit for everything and responsibility for nothing.

    The world needs more leaders like him . . . like it needs a tectonic hiccup.
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  4. JoeNation

    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    Ah special! More political proselytizing for the victims. You guys are a special breed. I can play that game too.

    Trump's refugee ban is the perfect ISIS recruiting tool

    © Getty Images

    Sometimes government actions result in making the problem they are trying to fix worse rather than solving it.

    For example, we don't know much yet about the harm of smoking e-cigarettes. But we are relatively sure that they are less harmful than regular cigarettes. Efforts to make e-cigarettes more difficult to purchase therefore hold the risk of increasing the number of people consuming regular cigarettes and thereby increasing the risk of lung cancer.

    Risk assessors often describe these as "risk-risk tradeoffs."

    Another example a risk-risk tradeoff comes from the world of automobile emissions. When new standards for tailpipe emissions are set, they apply only to new cars (reasonably so, since retrofitting old cars would be very expensive). This increases the price of new cars. The increased price leads potential buyers to hold on to their old polluting cars longer and therefore the level of pollution (at least in the short run) is higher than it would be without the new requirement.

    President Trump's new executive order on immigration may be a classic example of a risk-risk tradeoff. It targets two groups of individuals: refugees and those from seven countries (Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen). Based on available data, members of neither of these groups represent a significant risk of committing a terrorist attack.

    There have been three terrorist crimes committed by refugees since Sept. 11. As ThinkProgress notes, "Two of the men were indicted and jailed for plotting to send weapons to terrorist organizations in Iraq. One Uzbek man was convicted of terrorism-related charges for possessing explosives and supporting a terrorist organization in Uzbekistan."

    The vetting procedures for refugees put in place by the Obama administration make attacks even less likely. As for the seven countries from which we are going to suspend immigration, there have been no terrorist attacks on American soil by visa-holders from those countries.

    Where have terrorists in recent years come from? Whether it is in San Bernardino, California, where the attack was by a lawful permanent resident from Pakistan, or Fort Hood, Texas, and Orlando, Florida, where the shooters were native-born Americans, the terrorists were already here — they were not recent immigrants. They were mentally unstable individuals who were radicalized by anti-U.S. rhetoric from terrorist organizations like al Qaeda and the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

    Well, guess who just got some amazing fodder for their anti-U.S. rhetoric? As Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) has said, the executive order has given ISIS a "path to rebirth." An organization that was on the run in Syria and Iraq has just been handed an amazing recruiting tool: A written proclamation from the U.S. president that everything they've been saying all these years about the United States being at war with Muslims is true.

    This recruiting tool is likely to be effective in messages consumed by individuals like those who perpetrated the awful attacks in Fort Hood, Orlando and San Bernardino. So while we will be keeping out individuals who mean the United States no harm and indeed are in many cases the victims of those who do, we will have handed our enemies an important weapon.

    By allegedly trying to decrease the risk of a terrorist attack, we may have increased it.
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  5. toughcoins

    toughcoins Well-Known Member

    In Obama's case, I wasn't the victim . . . nearly all of America was. No need to impart his influence upon the rest of the world which was able to learn from watching us suffer, instead of learning from the suffering themselves.

    Ever the community organizer, never the leader!
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  6. JoeNation

    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    ISIS: Trump's win is good for our recruiting
    BY BROOKE SEIPEL - 11/15/16 11:26 AM EST

    © Getty Images
    Top members of jihadist groups say President-elect Donald Trump's victory is a great propaganda tool for recruiting new fighters, especially youth in the West.

    According to a report from Reuters Monday, Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and Taliban commanders said they will use Trump's campaign rhetoric, such as his call to ban Muslims from entering the U.S., as a recruitment tool.

    "This guy is a complete maniac. His utter hate towards Muslims will make our job much easier because we can recruit thousands," Abu Omar Khorasani, a top ISIS commander in Afghanistan, told the news service. "Our leaders were closely following the U.S. election but it was unexpected that the Americans will dig their own graves and they did so."
    According to Reuters, Khorasani "described President Barack Obama as a moderate infidel with at least a little brain in comparison to Trump."

    A top Taliban militant in Afghanistan also sees opportunity in Trump's victory.

    "If he does what he warned in his election campaign, I am sure it will provoke Muslim Ummah (community) across the world and jihadi organizations can exploit it," the unidentified Taliban leader told Reuters.

    Al Qaeda has yet to release a statement about Trump's victory.

    Trump has not released any statements on how he plans to fight terror groups in the Middle East.

    "I don’t want the enemy to know what I’m doing. ... All I can tell you it is a foolproof way of winning, and I’m not talking about what some people would say, but it is a foolproof way of winning the war with ISIS,” he told Fox News in May.

    U.S. officials have warned of an increased threat of attacks similar to the San Bernardino, Calif., and Orlando, Fla., mass shootings, which were inspired in part by ISIS.
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  7. JoeNation

    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    Trump ban is boon for ISIS recruitment, former jihadists and experts say
    By Eliza Mackintosh, CNN
    Updated 10:51 AM ET, Tue January 31, 2017

    (CNN)President Donald Trump's travel ban on seven Muslim-majority nations will be used by ISIS as a recruitment tool, giving the militant group a major propaganda boost, former jihadists have told CNN.

    The executive order, which blocks all immigrants and visa holders who are citizens of Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Yemen and Somalia, reinforces ISIS' narrative, according to former jihadi Abu Abdullah.
    "It can play into their propaganda, to make it clear for anyone who could be in doubt, that it's a war on Islam and all Muslims," Abdullah told CNN over a messaging service. The names of the now-defected foreign fighters in this story have been changed to protect their identities.
    Another former jihadi said the wedge being driven between Muslims living in the West and their governments is exactly what ISIS wants.
    "[Trump's] helped ISIS a lot, he's basically being a tool for them in a way," Abu Obaida, a British former Jabhat al-Nusra fighter in Syria, told CNN via direct message. "On social media right now there's a lot of people quoting Anwar al-Awlaki (the late spokesperson for al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula) and his last speech when he said that America will turn on the Muslims."

    President Donald Trump holds up a signed executive memorandum calling on the Pentagon to "develop a comprehensive plan to defeat ISIS."
    Jihadist sympathizers hail Trump's ban on social media
    As Obaida indicated, sympathizers of Islamist militant groups are already hailing Trump's ban online.
    In conversation on social media, various jihadists have said the executive action unveiled America's "hatred towards Muslims," according to US-based SITE monitoring service. A pro-ISIS account on Telegram -- an encrypted app favored by the militant group -- praised Trump as "the best caller to Islam," signaling the President's ban would attract new believers.
    "When US President Donald Trump says 'We don't want them here' and bans the Muslim immigrants from Muslim countries, there is one thing that comes to our mind," stated one account on Facebook, sharing an image of Awlaki, who was killed in a 2011 US drone strike in Yemen, with his quote.
    one clip published by the Somali terrorist group al-Shabaab. President Obama was also shown in similar videos.
    'Sweet music' to ears of Islamist militants

    Members of the Iraqi forces in Mosul watch Donald Trump giving a speech after he won the US president elections.
    It's not just ISIS that might capitalize on the ban, al Qaeda is likely to use it, too.
    "By banning Muslims, lumping them with radical Islamism, Donald Trump provides ammunition and motivation for al Qaeda and ISIS," said Fawaz Gerges, chairman of contemporary Middle East studies at the London School of Economics and author of "ISIS: A History."
    Gerges said that to group more than 1 billion Muslims with Islamic extremists is "foolishly counterproductive" to the battle against ISIS.
    Trump has said this is not a Muslim ban. Responding to the outcry over the executive order, the President wrote: "This is not about religion -- this is about terror and keeping our country safe."
    But Gerges said Trump has provided ideological inspiration to ISIS, and also contributed to deepening anti-American sentiments throughout the Muslim world.
    "The policy can easily be interpreted, and is being interpreted, as a ban against Muslims," Gerges said. "If you are serious about defeating ISIS, the last thing you want to do is portray the fight as Islam vs. the West."
    If you are serious about defeating ISIS, the last thing you want to do is portray the fight as Islam vs. the West.

    Fawaz Gerges

    In the years since 9/11, the Bush and Obama administrations were careful not to mix up a "war on terror" with a war with Islam. But the Trump team put the fight against "radical Islamic terrorism" at the heart of its campaign. This, paired with Trump's previous calls for a "Muslim registry," set the stage for the President's travel ban.
    Clint Watts, a former FBI counterterrorism special agent and US Army infantry officer, said, as a result of Trump's rhetoric, the US administration will have a harder time partnering with Muslim-majority countries in the region to fight ISIS and other terror groups.
    "This isn't an isolated policy. Moving the embassy to Jerusalem. Calls for bringing back torture. All of these in combination amplify the rhetoric," Watts said. "Not only are we increasing recruitment, but we're making it harder for our partners around the world to fight with us against terrorism."
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  8. JoeNation

    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    So REALLY!? Obama said something? IDIOTS.
  9. toughcoins

    toughcoins Well-Known Member

    Obama said nothing, and did even less.
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  10. arizonaJack

    arizonaJack Well-Known Member

    Joe's pretty devasted today. Go easy on him. He cannot exploit his hatred of guns like he did Sandyhook. No political points for you today, Joe?
    Where's Clueless, just days he he said Isis was not a threat..Conservatives were.
  11. JoeNation

    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!


    NOVEMBER 14, 2016 07:46

    "This guy is a complete maniac. His utter hate towards Muslims will make our job much easier because we can recruit thousands," Abu Omar Khorasani, a top ISIS commander in Afghanistan, told Reuters.


    ISIS fighter beheading boy, 16, in Syria. (photo credit:ARAB MEDIA)

    KABUL/CAIRO - From Afghanistan to Algeria, jihadists plan to use Donald Trump's shock US presidential victory as a propaganda tool to bring new fighters to their battlefields.

    Taliban commanders and Islamic State supporters say Trump's campaign trail rhetoric against Muslims - at one point calling for a total shutdown of Muslims entering the United States - will play perfectly in their recruitment efforts, especially for disaffected youth in the West.

    "This guy is a complete maniac. His utter hate towards Muslims will make our job much easier because we can recruit thousands," Abu Omar Khorasani, a top ISIS commander in Afghanistan, told Reuters.

    Trump has talked tough against militant groups on the campaign trail, promising to defeat "radical Islamic terrorism just as we won the Cold War."
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  12. JoeNation

    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    I guess we can chalk this attack up to Trump's ISIS recruitment efforts. But you idiots go ahead and say more prayers. That'll make you feel better about your fearless leader.
  13. JoeNation

    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    ISIS Recruits for Trump. It has a ring to it.
  14. JoeNation

    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    The Bush Administration created the vacuum that then created ISIS after invading Iraq under a phony pretense. That makes the Republican Party the founds of ISIS.

    Here's how ISIS was really founded
    By Jason Hanna, CNN
    Updated 2:05 PM ET, Sat August 13, 2016

    (CNN)Plenty has been said about Donald Trump calling President Barack Obama the founder of ISIS." The GOP presidential candidate added to the conversation himself on Friday, tweeting that he was being sarcastic when he made the remarks.

    A day earlier, he told a radio host that Obama deserves blame for the Muslim terror group's rise because of the US military withdrawal from Iraq in 2011, which left a power vacuum for the terror group to exploit.
    "He was the founder. The way he got out of Iraq ... that was the founding of ISIS, OK?" Trump said on Hugh Hewitt's radio show Thursday morning.


    ISIS Fast Facts

    Of course, a distinction can be drawn between the actual founding of ISIS and its rise to the murderous, land-holding terror force that it is today. So how did ISIS begin and evolve? Here's a refresher:

    It sprang from al Qaeda in Iraq
    The group's roots are in the Sunni terror group al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), started in 2004 by Jordanian Islamist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. It was a major player in the insurgency against the US-led forces that toppled Saddam Hussein in 2003, and against the Shiite-dominated government that eventually replaced Hussein.


    Trump tries to walk back claim that Obama founded ISIS 01:59
    ISIS has also targeted the Shiite community in general, starting with a deadly suicide bombing at a mosque in Samarra in 2006.
    It exploited Sunni resentment against Shiites[/paste:font]
    Hussein had led a secular government, but it was dominated by members of Iraq's Sunni minority and it brutally repressed opposition. When Saddam was ousted, power went to the majority Shiites, who wanted revenge.
    There was a growing perception among Sunnis that they were being persecuted and excluded from power by Shiite officials.
    AQI recruited Sunni fighters to its cause -- trying to establish a Sunni Islamist control of the country.
    It was rebranded, and then was largely defeated
    After Zarqawi was killed in a US airstrike in 2006, Egyptian Abu Ayyub al-Masri took over and announced the creation of the Islamic State in Iraq.(The words "and Syria" would come later.)


    Is ISIS going broke?

    By 2006, ISI controlled much of western Iraq's Anbar province. But then in 2008, a surge of US troops, with the help of Sunni tribesmen who were at odds with al Qaeda, largely defeated the group in Iraq.
    It picked up a new leader and a new fight -- in Syria
    Masri was killed in a 2010 US-Iraqi operation. That opened the door to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, a militant who'd joined previously.
    Baghdadi took over the group, and when a civil war kicked off in neighboring Syria, members of the group went there to fight against Syria's government forces.
    It took territory, and a new name: ISIS
    After ISI's forces gained strength in Syria, it re-entered Iraq in 2013 "as a reinvigorated force ... seizing much of Anbar a year later," CNN national security analyst Peter Bergen wrote earlier this year.
    That year, Baghdadi announced the group would be known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS). He also said he was merging his force with the al Qaeda-affiliated group Al-Nusra Front -- which didn't exactly agree.


    Al-Zarqawi: The unlikely godfather of the Islamic State

    Al-Nusra Front, fighting in Syria, rejected Baghdadi's move, and in 2014, al Qaeda itself renounced its ties to ISIS after months of Nusra-ISIS infighting.
    It took advantage of ex-Iraqi officers' experience
    ISIS fighters got better, in part because they were being led by former officers of Saddam's army.
    The United States disbanded Iraq's army in 2003 to start a new one from scratch, leaving many Sunni officers out of work. Remember the Sunni resentment against the new Shiite-led government? Some aggrieved Sunni officers joined the insurgency, and eventually ISIS.
    It skillfully used prison 'networking'
    By now, many of its top leaders were former inmates at US-administered prisons in Iraq during the insurgency. Those prisons, it appears, were networking centers for those who would join the movement.


    No, Obama was not the 'founder' of ISIS

    Analysts say Baghdadi and some of his top deputies were at various points imprisoned at Camp Bucca, which was a US-run prison in southern Iraq.
    It took Mosul, announced a caliphate and became a major US target. In June 2014, ISIS took Mosul, a major city in northern Iraq. Later that month, Baghdadi announced the creation of a caliphate, or Islamic state. By then, ISIS had captured large swaths of Syria and Iraq.
    The United States began airstrikes against ISIS targets in both countries later that year.
    Retired Maj. Gen. James "Spider" Marks, a CNN military analyst, told CNN's "Erin Burnett OutFront" on Thursday that calling Obama the founder of ISIS was "crazy talk." But, he said, "clearly there's culpability."
    "There's a lot we could have done in Iraq. Our departure in 2011 was premature," Marks said. "Conditions were not set. ... This (ISIS) is an organized military with a focus."
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  15. IQless1

    IQless1 trump supporters are scum

    Conservatives are the threat. They want to lower taxes, some want none at all; they want less government, some want none at all; they want fewer social programs supporting the poor, some want them all gone; they want to reduce Social Security, some want to privatize it; they want reduced Medicare and Medicaid, some want it eliminated or privatized... yet to do these things reduces the U.S. to a third World country one where the dollar loses all value, infrastructure fails, commerce crawls to a standstill and civilization turns into anarchy, a survival of the fittest mentality where cities crumble and people die en masse.

    As it stands in Congress, Social Security has been raided to fund a war effort and private profiteering, where no-bid contracts and nonexistent supervision allowed contractors to destroy perfectly functioning equipment in order to reap more funding from the war effort. To date, Congress has failed to return the funds they took from the program. The republican agenda is to reduce Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Doing so harms millions of the poor, disabled and elderly, including our veterans. Their agenda includes stripping funding away from public schools in favor of schools that promote the republican agenda, places where math and science are disregarded in favor of false data and religious dogma. And of course, they want more money funneled to the wealthiest among us, a regurgitation of the tired and utterly false promise of "trickle-down" economics.

    All together, the republican agenda is one where society is reduced to a third-World state, one where only the few can thrive. That republican "nirvana" leads to the dollar losing it's value, the economy tanking, infrastructure failing and society crumbling. In short, if you want death, vote republican.

    Oh, one more thing... the Oklahoma City Bombing wasn't caused by ISIS, it was caused by a conservative. How quickly conservatives forget that.

  16. CoinOKC

    CoinOKC Donald Trump For President In 2020

    Keep your theories to yourself about the OKC bombing and the Michigan asshole who planned it.
  17. JoeNation

    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    No, I want to hear them. BTW McVeigh was ex-military.


    FBI mugshot of McVeigh in 1995.
    Born Timothy James McVeigh
    April 23, 1968
    Lockport, New York, U.S.
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  18. CoinOKC

    CoinOKC Donald Trump For President In 2020

    You stupid, fucking idiot:

    Nichols was born in Lapeer, Michigan.

    Nichols attended Lapeer High School

    He enrolled at Central Michigan University

    Nichols spent most of his adult life in the Lapeer and Sanilac County areas of Michigan

    Nichols invited McVeigh to join him in Michigan and help him out selling military surplus at gun shows.

    Nichols was watching TV with McVeigh at the Nichols' farmhouse in Michigan when the ATF, Army and FBI attacked the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas.
  19. CoinOKC

    CoinOKC Donald Trump For President In 2020

    Such anti-government views don't sound conservative to me; they sound more like the views of far-Left liberals such as Pentagon-bomber Bill Ayers (remember his anti-government meeting in Flint, Michigan?) or any of the violent, anti-free-speech, anti-Constitution, anti-government liberals at Berkeley.
  20. JoeNation

    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    Nobody was talking about Nichols. As a matter of fact, only the Oklahoma bomber was referenced. That would be Timothy McVeigh. So shut the fuck up Donny!


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