Majority of Americans say that "the economy is working for them"

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  1. CoinBlazer

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    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/mar...ding-requiring-massive-middle-class-tax-hikes

    A Marist poll asked voters whether "the economy is working well for you personally." Nearly two-thirds of Americans said yes. This includes large majorities in almost every demographic group.
    Sixty-seven percent of college graduates and 64 percent of those without a college education say the economy is working for them. So do 68 percent of whites and 61 percent of nonwhite people.

    So do most voters in every type of American community: 63 percent of both big and small city voters; 64 percent of small-town voters; 66 percent of rural voters and 72 percent of suburban voters.

    Most everyone, it seems, says the economy is working for them.

    The only groups who disagree, Marist found, are progressives (59 percent), Democratic women (55 percent) and those who are liberal or very liberal (55 percent.)
     
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  2. Mopar Dude

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    This is the whole thing that befuddles me. Fuel is cheap. People are working and bringing home groceries. Welfare roles are dropping. And folks are griping unlike anything I have ever heard before in all my born days. It’s truly the darnedest thing I have ever seen in my life. I suppose we are all supposed to turn the clocks back to the Stone Age. Coinblazer, this world it truly upside down. I believe I am supposed to be made to feel shameful for being conservative. In fact, I feel I am of the few left with any darned good common sense. I am just in complete disbelief anymore.
     
  3. JohnHamilton
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    The complaining is a reflection of the news media and Democrats’ strategy. They keep up the drum beat of falsehoods, and the low information voters think something is wrong because all of those “experts” are so concerned.

    Chances are the Democrats are going to nominate a candidate who will make our lives worse if they gain power. We are already seeing what they are doing with their majority in the House. Instead of addressing infrastructure issues, the crisis at the border and approving the trade deal between the US, Mexico and Canada, they are having “super secret” impeachment hearings like a bunch of high school sophomores planning the junior prom. These people are providing no indications that they would exercise increased power profitability or prudently for the American people.
     
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  4. Mopar Dude

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    I am very conservative with my little business. As we grew these last twenty years I would not create new positions and hire people to fill them until I had studied the situation in depth. I simply couldn’t forgive myself if I hired a person only to have to let them go because I misjudged my company’s needs.

    Right now my little place is wide open busy. My people need some help and they deserve to have it. I cannot bring myself to bring in a new hire because I am in fear of what this election year will bring. If we lose Trump then we lose confidence in our economy. It’s simple as that. The democratic claim is that they want to rebuild an economy that works for everyone. As though this one isn’t. Any person that wants to work today can do so. How is that not working for everyone?

    I am reminded of stories I read shortly after Mister Obama’s election. Folks clamoring about free Obama-money and free health care. The low information voter actually believes in such concepts. And it is exactly that mindset that destroys an economy from the inside out. How did we get to this place??
     
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    We got there because too many people think that there is always an easy way out. All we have to do is "tax the rich" and take a considerable amount of their wealth and give it to the people to solve their problems. Bernie Sanders yells "Medicare for all!" and the goods and services are just supposed to magically appear.

    The truth is wealth and income are very fragile things. If you confiscate large amounts of income and wealth, you might get away with it in the first year, but in succeeding years, there will be less and less. It's a lot easier to destroy something than build it. Business people do not take risks in highly uncertain times. They don't take risks when they know that the government is going to came in and take most of what they have earned. When the upside is diminished, you get less investment and growth.

    The socialists tell us that government should come in and take over the economy. They tell us that a group of "wise men" can run everything well without "the waste" of business profits and failures. Somehow this small number of "wise men" will be able to do a better job of running the economy than the most successful business people in history, like Andrew Carnegie, John D. and William Rockefeller, Henry Ford, David Sarnoff, Steve Jobs and Bill Gates. The bureaucracy will be able to do that better than all of the successful entrepreneurs in history.

    The vast majority of competent economists and historians know that is not true. They know that the top down approach, which excludes all innovation from the masses, will fail. Only the gullible and the “true believers” think socialism and communism will work. There have been numerous failures including Soviet Russia, Eastern Europe, Cuba, Cambodia and Venezuela. Even the Red Chinese acknowledged the problem when they opened up their economy to limited entrepreneurship which resulted in much of the success they have enjoyed over the last couple of decades.

    Still the true believers and the low information voters think that they can get and deserve something for nothing if they could just get at those “rich bastards.” All we need is “Share the Wealth.”

    Sanders, Warren and the rest of the Democrat presidential candidates offer nothing new. Back in the 1930s, demagogue Huey Long preached the same thing. He had “Share the Wealth” clubs all over the country. Franklin Roosevelt called Long and Douglas MacArthur “the most dangerous men in America.” Simple minded, easy fixes have always been attractive to a certain level of the electorate.

    Here is a photo of Huey and one of his “Share the Wealth” club buttons.

    Huey Long pic.jpg Every man a king.jpg
     
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  6. Mopar Dude

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    And this doesn’t scare the pants off everyone??? Who defines those rich bastards? Is it me that started from a ramshackle pickup truck and built a prospering business? We used to teach young people the value in hard work. It used to be almost shameful to have to ask for help. It’s now become something of a badge of honor to suckle the government tit. How has self pride gone the way of the dinosaur in this day and age??..... Look, I have to apologize. I did watch this last debate and I feel the life blood has just been sucked out of me. I now fear my life’s work has been for nothing. Just to hand it all over to those that have invested no more of their effort toward anything more than bellyaching? I just cannot fathom how we as a proud nation have been reduced to this. Our founding fathers have truly rolled over in their graves. I probably need to take a break from this. It’s so disheartening.
     
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    People have the attitude that those who built a successful business are just "lucky." What they don't realize is that most successful business people worked their butt off to get where they are.

    My dad ran a successful Christmas wreath business from the late 1940s to the late 1950s. He was up at 5 AM in the morning working in the plant before the employees arrived. He worked until 6 or 7 at night, went home to sleep and was back at it again the next day. If somebody wanted a holly wreath on Sunday, he took off from his day of rest to sell it to them. One time he sold wreath right off the wall of our house when a customer admired it. For that he made $10k or little more a year in the 1950s, which was good money in those days.

    One year he made a big wreath that went up on the side the RCA Music Hall in New York City. Another year he supplied the decorations for the Ed Sullivan Show.

    In the late 1950s tastes changed. Plastic replaced natural holly, and his business disappeared in about three year's time. He lost a lot of money, and my mother had to go back to teaching. He was embarrassed, but he didn't give up. When he died, he and my mom had saved and invested to point where they had about $1 million for their retirment.

    Donald Trump is a prime example of what hard work can do. People wonder why he's early in the morning Tweeting. The answer is he's been getting up early in the morning to work since he was a young man. The money just didn't fall into his lap; he had to work for it, and sometimes he failed. I can remember a time in the early 1980s when he had to go a strict budget because he had lost too much from some his ventures.

    Some people look at business which has millions of dollars in sales, think that concern is "rich." What they don't realize is that only small portion of that money makes it to the bottom line as net income. Furthermore business have to re-invest a good portion of that money to keep the revenue flowing.

    Sure there are people who fall into wealth, but most of those who succeeded in business worked hard for it.
     
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  8. Mopar Dude

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    Bingo!!! I very much relate to your dad. My office is open at 5:30am five days a week. When I took a week to go marry my daughter last year, they had to call me to ask how to disarm the office alarm system. My days have started at 5:30 since I began throwing newspapers at twelve. An eight hour day to me would near be a day off. Not one thin dime has ever once been handed to me and I have worked my kazoo off to provide for my family and employees. I readily admit I am consumed with work and providing. But by golly I honestly earned every little bit that I have. And I’ll be darned if I am going to hand it away because I may now be deemed as “greedy” by some bleeding leftist that never worked for anything but a damn soapbox.

    I am a proud southerner. I take a great interest in our history. There was a time the confederacy firmly believed their cause was a just cause. History has shown that it wasn’t. God help us if we lose in this current political climate. I wonder how History will judge us when we give away people’s opportunity to proper.
     
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    The trouble is it's now the leftists who are writing the history, especially for the school text books. Of course, they don't teach history and civics for the most part. Many kids are quite ignorant.

    There was short news story on Fox the other day where they asked people what the three branches of government are. Most of them didn't know.

    Of course, I might have flunked too. My answer is that there are four, the Executive, Legislative, Judiciary and the Bureaucracy. I know that the Bureaucracy is supposed to be under the executive branch, but during the Trump administration they have become a branch unto themselves. A lot of them sure don’t answer to or respect the President.
     
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  10. Mopar Dude

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    Maybe that is the answer. Make prospective voters complete an elementary level civics exam before they walk into the voting booth....... And before I get slammed, my tongue is firmly planted in my cheek.
     

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