Not a bash necessarily, Trump's walkout music tonight

So, at the Michigan Rally tonight, they played CCR's Fortunate Son as Trump got off the plane to greet the crowd. Which is, not great considering the song's message...



Genuine discussion on the PR aspect of politics, why do you think this song was chosen?

A. An attempt to subvert the notions people may hold about him as a vietnam draft dodger.

B. An ironic joke by the staffer running the music.

C. Nothing to read into, someone on the campaign just likes that song.

D. Something else.


Personally, I lean A. Music is quite important at political events. People connect with music emotionally even if they don't realize it. As a result, it can give them a stronger connection to the candidate. To this end, campaigns employ social scientists and PR specialists to employ methods of securing people emotionally. Afterall, if you support someone on an emotional level, facts and reason no longer matter. Also, if I know Trump believes in anything, it's optics.

 

CCR is the only band left in the world that hasn't filed a cease and desist order against the Trump Campaign for using their music without permission. It was either Fortunate Son or Pop Goes the Weasel and his staff knows that Trump tends to get handsy any time the word "bush", as in "....all around the mulberry...", is used in any context. It was a good choice.

 

@GeneWright I am suitably impressed that you are well versed in CCR. That was a powerful song in it's day and I bet I could recite it verse by verse today...... I am sure you are correct and that there are enough PR specialists in the campaign to choke a horse. John Fogarty had a very powerful singing voice and the tempo of that particular song made you feel immediately upbeat. You couldn't hear the song without tapping your feet. And considering that I would surmise most of Trump's voter base is from the generation that appreciates Fogarty and CCR, it was probably chosen just to get those folks aroused so to speak. But it was absolutely a radical anti-war song of the day. The message certainly doesn't fit, but if I hear the song today I enjoy the song and don't really think about the message.

 

Here's a MoparDude history lesson for you. That man was a great president with a solid message of serving your country before serving yourself. A man that would likely revile you as much as our current president.... And he was a Democrat.

 

Yes, John F. Kennedy would not be welcome in the modern Democrat Party.

 

And Reagan wouldn't be welcome in Trump's GOP. Derp/

 

Because???? Imagine Abraham Lincoln's thoughts on the current Republican Party. He'd get booed right off the stage at a Trump rally. Jesus Christ would be publicly crucified by Trump supporters for saying middle east brown lives matter. And Richard Nixon would be beside himself with disgust at the level of corruption in the GOP.

 

I think your assessment of it being a popular song in the demographic, that is also genuinely a good song and makes you feel energized, is spot on. I want to read more into the song's meaning, but I'd bet you're right it doesn't need to go quite that deep to make the emotional connection with the crowd.

 

There was a lot of noise at that time about the unfortunate boys going to war. The boys whose fathers had connections (politicians boys, military leaders boys) somehow seemed to miss the draft. The "fortunate sons" stayed home.

 

There is no "modern Democrat Party." The party of Kennedy, the party of Roosevelt, the party of Truman is the Democratic Party. "Democrat Party" is a lame misnomer that's used either in ignorance or as a way for Tea Party enthusiasts and Trumpists to express contempt. The assertion about Kennedy is as hollow and inaccurate as the name you choose to use for the party.

 

Dream on socialist. The rioters, looters and anarchists who make the up the modern Democratic Party have nothing in common with Kennedy, Roosevelt and Trunman. Communists like AOC were outliers and the Democratic Party and their liberal wing did all it could to distance themselves from them. The Libertal Party in New York State was formed in 1944 to counterbalance the extreme left Labor Party, which endorced FDR. Here are two buttons from that race.

The New York State Labor Party



The Liberal Party



I know that history is sore subject with you people. Your current position is to obliderate it and tear it down whenever you feel like it. But if you still want to claim Kenndy, FDR and Truman, then you also have to claim the rest of your past.

The Democrats issued this token for Horatio Seymour in 1868. The slogan was "White men to govern the restoration of Constitutional liberty." In case you are having trouble translating that, it's fully in support of the Jim Crow laws. Do you want to include Horatio Seymour in your big Democrat tent? He's part of your past.



Here's another one for you. This ribbon was issued for James Buchanan in 1856 who was a Democrat running against Republican aboloishist John C. Fremont. The ribbon speaks for itself. "Old Buck" is James Buchanan.

 

Another opportunity to brag about his collection. Anyone else tired of seeing it so damn often? I know I am.

 

If the pictures I post PO you @JoeNation, I will make an effort to post more of them. If they really PO you, you can smash you computer screen the way your fellow Democrat Party anarchists pull down monuments.

Maybe I’ll post some pro-Democrat pieces to make you feel better.

 

@JohnHamilton tangent related to your recent posts:

How do modern Republicans square being the "party of Lincoln" while simultaneously defending the confederacy? Seems like you should have to pick 1

 

Nope. I enjoy the history. I want to see more. Sorry, no history erasing allowed.

 

That is a misnomer. I am square in the heart of the confederacy. It is not defensible. We simply choose not to discount that it is a page of history.

 

No kidding??? Then tell me how one of the most moving dialogs of that century was Kennedy’s “Ask not what your country can do for you”...... And all that modern vocal Democrat wannabes demand is all that the government can give them? Kennedy fully understood what self sacrifice meant. Sadly, not so much self sacrificing is offered from today’s crop.

 

If you are referring to the ripping down of monuments, Republican opposition to tearing down monuments has nothing to do with defending the Confederacy. It has to with preserving history.

You can’t undue history by ripping it down or ignoring it. You take what you have learned from it and use it as a tool for going forward. The leaders of your movement don’t want the people to learn about what happened the past. They want to consign it to museums, they will eventually defund and tear down, while the people go forward in ignorance. They want THE PEOPLE to be ignorant, except for their “truths.”

That’s the stock and trade of totalitarianism. You keep people ignorant and stirred up while the elite leadership grabs all the power and most of the goods for themselves. If you would study some history, or even contemporary events, you find this to be true in one Communist “people’s republic” after another.

I was willing to compromise and say take the Confederate monuments down, although there is something to be learned from them. But like it usually is with far left movements, any sign of compromise is seen as a sign of weakness. Therefore they now want to tear down or rename monuments to the people who founded this country and those who made it better, like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and Fredrick Douglas. Why? Because your extreme leaders want to obliterate the past and make themselves and their movement into the only “truth.”

 

John Fogerty: 'Confounding' that Trump campaign played 'Fortunate Son' at rally
Source: The Hill

BY MORGAN GSTALTER - 09/12/20 09:04 AM EDT

Rock icon John Fogerty on Friday said it was “confounding” that President Trump's campaign would use his hit song “Fortunate Son” at a rally given the song’s blunt criticisms about class privilege during the Vietnam War.

The former Creedence Clearwater Revival frontman made a video explaining his experience writing the song after the Trump campaign played the hit while the president walked off Air Force One ahead of his rally in Freeland, Mich., on Thursday.

“I wrote the song back in 1969 at the height of the Vietnam War," Fogerty said in a video. “By the time I wrote the song, I had already been drafted and had served in the military. And I’ve been a livelong supporter of our guys and gals in the military, probably because of that experience.”

Fogerty said he wrote the song, in part, because he was “upset” about how rich people with privilege and money could avoid the draft.

Read more: https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-kn...founding-that-trump-campaign-played-fortunate