Sorry, You Disgusting Liberals, But It's A Human Life If A Heart Is Beating

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  1. CoinOKC
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    Baby's heart 'still beating' after abortion, doctor says in new anti-abortion video

    August 19, 2015

    A doctor for a Planned Parenthood tissue harvesting partner appears to admit a baby’s “heart actually is still beating” at times following abortions and an ex-procurement tech gives a first-person account of watching a baby’s heart beat before she dissects its brain in the latest release from an anti-abortion group.

    The allegations are part of a new video from the Center for Medical Progress, an anti-abortion activist group that has released a series of undercover and first-person interview videos focusing on Planned Parenthood and its partners.

    Wednesday’s 11-minute, edited release features first-person interviews with Holly O’Donnell, a former procurement technician for StemExpress, a tissue harvesting company that worked with Planned Parenthood. It also features clips from previous CMP releases and new undercover audio and video.

    GRAPHIC CONTENT WARNING: Watch the new Planned Parenthood video.

    CMP has been the target of two restraining orders by federal judges – including one from StemExpress – banning them from releasing some of their recordings. But the Los Angeles Superior Court order only bars CMP from releasing video of three StemExpress officials taken at a restaurant in May. Wednesday’s video does not appear to violate that limited order.

    “So you know there are times when after the procedure is done that the heart actually is still beating”

    - Dr. Ben Van Handel

    A recorded conversation heard during the new video features a voice identified as belonging to Dr. Ben Van Handel, the executive director of Novogenix Laboratories, LLC. Novogenix provides researchers with “human primary tissue-specific stem cells” according to its website.

    “So you know there are times when after the procedure is done that the heart actually is still beating,” Handel tells an undercover CMP investigator during the conversation.

    O’Donnell, who has been featured in previous videos, describes a co-worker showing her a beating heart in an aborted baby.

    “‘Hey Holly, come over here, I want you to see something kinda cool. It’s kinda neat,’” O’Donnell said the coworker told her. “So I’m over here, and the moment I see it I’m just flabbergasted. This is the most gestated fetus and the closest thing to a baby that I’ve seen. And she’s like, ‘Okay I want to show you something.’ And she has one of her instruments and she just taps the heart and it starts beating and I’m sitting here and I’m looking at this fetus and its heart is beating and I don’t know what to think.”

    Following the demonstration, O’Donnell said she and the co-worker cut the face of the baby open and dissected its brain.

    “It had a face,” O’Donnell said. “It wasn’t completely torn up. And its nose was very pronounced. It had eyelids. Its mouth was pronounced.”

    In one of the most disturbing portions of the video, CMP shows a clip of a baby seeming to move its arms and legs post-abortion. The clip is from the Grantham Collection and Center for Bio-Ethical Reform and is not new undercover material.

    Previous videos have appeared to show Planned Parenthood officials admitting the organization alters abortion procedures to procure fetal tissue, delivers intact fetuses and sells fetal tissue for profit. Each of those practices is against federal law. A video last week featured O’Donnell alleging that StemExpress sometimes did not obtain consent from mothers to use their fetal tissue, which would be a serious ethical breach if true.

    Planned Parenthood has denied breaking any laws and has said payments discussed in the videos relate to reimbursement costs for procuring the tissue – which is legal.

    “These extremists show a total lack of compassion and dignity for women’s most personal medical decisions,” an Aug. 4 statement from Planned Parenthood said.

    “Human Capital Episode 3: Planned Parenthood’s Custom Abortions for Superior Product” is the seventh release from CMP.

    The videos have brought investigations of Planned Parenthood's policies on aborted fetuses by three Republican-led congressional committees and three states. Investigators in Florida cited four Planned Parenthood clinics for violations earlier this month.

    The Senate failed to advance a Republican-led measure to halt federal aid to Planned Parenthood before its summer recess. But the issue of defunding Planned Parenthood has become a rallying cry for many groups on the right and is a top issue in the Republican primary battle.

    "Exactly what is being done to obtain these intact bodies needs to be investigated," a statement released Wednesday from pro-life group Priests for Life said. "Federal law prohibits abortion procedures that partially or fully deliver a living baby. Philadelphia abortionist Kermit Gosnell is serving life in prison because he aborted babies who were still alive when they came out of the mother’s body. If Planned Parenthood is not fully investigated and prosecuted for these offenses, then we owe Gosnell an apology."

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/1...says-in-new-anti-abortion-video/?intcmp=hpbt3
     
  2. JoeNation
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    Republicans get abortions too.
     
  3. CoinOKC
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    I have a feeling that the baby whose face is being cut open so its brain can be extracted couldn't care less what the politics of the mother happen to be.
     
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  4. JoeNation
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    One would would never know that by the title of your lame post.
     
  5. CoinOKC
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    The baby itself probably doesn't care, but disgusting liberals should.
     
  6. arizonaJack

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    This is horrifying. To defend this is evil.
     
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  7. CoinOKC
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    Yes, it certainly is. I honestly don't know how anyone in their right mind could defend this. Not only is it disgusting, but it's murder... there's no sugar-coating it. This is one more example of why liberals make me want to puke.
     
  8. IQless1
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    Yet, you would starve many of the children, once born, because they are, in your mind, an unnecessary burden on you, financially.
     
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  9. CoinOKC
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    I don't know how to make it any clearer to you, but no, I would not. Additionally, I don't advocate cutting an aborted baby's face open to extract it's brain. Do you?
     
  10. rlm's cents
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    Obviously he does. Both of them have been saying hoe PP has done nothing wrong and there is evidence it includes brain removal among other atrocities.
     
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  11. JoeNation
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    The phony outrage IS hilarious. Keep going please.
     
  12. CoinOKC
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    You're NOT outraged? Don't you think this is disgusting? It is murder and inhumane.
     
  13. rlm's cents
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    He may not, but Illinois does;

    Ill. Rev. Stat. ch. 720 § 5/9-1.2, § 5/9-2.1 and § 5/9-3.2 define intentional homicide of an unborn child, voluntary manslaughter of an unborn child, involuntary manslaughter and reckless homicide of an unborn child, respectively. The laws define "unborn child" as any individual of the human species from fertilization until birth. The laws also specify that these provisions do not apply to acts which cause the death of an unborn child if those acts were committed during any abortion to which the pregnant woman has consented or to acts which were committed pursuant to usual and customary standards of medical practice during testing or treatment. (1986 Ill. Laws, P.A. 84-1414; 1987 Ill. Laws, P.A. 85-293; 2000 Ill. Laws, P.A. 91-404; 2010 Ill. Laws, P.A. 96-1000)
    Ill. Rev. Stat. ch. 720 § 5/12-3.1, § 5/12-3.2 (2004) and § 5/12-4.4 define battery and aggravated battery of an unborn child.
    Ill. Rev. Stat. ch. 730 § 5/3-6-3 directs the Department of Corrections to prescribe rules and regulations for awarding and revoking sentence credit and specify that a prisoner serving a sentence for attempt to commit the intentional homicide of an unborn child shall receive no more than 4.5 days of sentence credit for each month of his or her sentence.
    2010 Ill. Laws, P.A. 1294 amended the Murderer and Violent Offender Against Youth Registration Act (Ill. Rev. Stat. ch. 730 § 154/1 et seq.) to include aggravated battery of an unborn child as a "violent offense against youth." (2010 SB 3305; 2011 HB 263)
     
  14. JoeNation
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    The human heart is a muscle. It is NOT an indication of life. Even a person that is clinically brain-dead has a heartbeat. You seem to be in that group.
     
  15. arizonaJack

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    Lets talk about phony outrage.

    Had that woman been SHOT by a WHITE guy on her way to PP by a guy with a conservative book in his car you'd be screaming "Teabagger commits DOUBLE MURDER" in minutes.....and we ALL know it.

    Talk about phony.....why do you pretend to be a hip black university professor when in reality your an old white guy in charge of concessions at some small no name school?
     
  16. JoeNation
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    No, I wouldn't be.
     
  17. IQless1
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    Antiabortionists rightfully don't condone unsafe methods, which occur when safe methods are unavailable, yet they don't want safe methods performed at all, which leads to more unsafe abortions occurring...like using a coat hanger or getting kicked in the stomach.

    I prefer to allow the safer methods. It sucks, but it's better to provide the service than forcing people to consider unsafe methods.
     
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  18. IQless1
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    You either have a system in place to provide a safe abortion service or you don't. Abortions are going to occur, in both cases. Do you want to allow safe abortions or unsafe abortions? I choose safe.
     
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  19. JoeNation
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    Absolutely right. Abortions have never stopped at any point even prior to Roe V. Wade. Abortions will always happen. The thing these Right-wing men want is for the woman seeking backroom abortions is for them to die in the process. They seriously want this consequence for any woman seeking to have an abortion. We had that situation at one point in this country and these Right-wingers want desperately to return to those times. And they call liberals sick. Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord
     
  20. JoeNation
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    Disgusting Republican tactics used on them....

     
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