The new U.S. labor movement

Discussion in 'Politics' started by GeneWright, Dec 9, 2021.

  1. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    There's a reason there are twenty odd million unfilled jobs . . . there's a standoff between workers who want control of their work environment and employers who don't want to surrender that control. There are too many undisciplined people out there, who cannot be trusted to do the job they've been hired to do, and if employers can't get them to work under their roof, they'll eventually automate those jobs as well.

    Boy, is life gonna suck when those stubborn liers-down figure out that they need to go back to work, and then figure out that they no longer check all of the boxes they once did.
     
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  2. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Why don't employers want to surrender that control? I think the pandemic made people realize how silly it was to waste their time and money commuting when more than 90% of their work was done on the phone/computer anyway.

    Are companies allowing workers to stay home seeing less productivity? I don't know of any metrics for this yet.

    It would save companies a lot of money too, now they don't have to pay nearly as much for middle managers who's only job was to watch the workers.
     
  3. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    Yes. The eight months after Covid struck I did have my estimating staff working from home and errors in their work increased tenfold. A person cannot focus on work with the distractions of home tugging at their attention.

    Gene, you make it sound as though we employers are ogres that don’t care. In fact we know our biggest asset is our people. You tend to forget that most of us were workers most of our working life. There is a bigger picture at work here. One that most workers cannot or even care to see. And that’s fine. If you want to be a decision maker then pull up your big boy pants and become one. Until then, thank your employer for giving you the opportunity to earn his money.
     
  4. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    It sounds like work from home may not be a good fit for your line of work, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's literally impossible for me to work from home, which kind of sucks, but it is what it is. Work from home doesn't have to be for everyone, but employers may be pressured to offer it at least part time.

    Out of curiosity, have you had any pushback from your employees about coming back into the office?
     
  5. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    I suspect you have worked very few jobs and have very limited knowledge of just how much can and should be done at work without a computer. Quality of communication and timeliness of decisions often suffer when electronic communication are relied upon. Furthermore, many jobs require access to tools / equipment / materials not available at home.


    Come on now Gene, be more honest with yourself . . . If you really don't know, why not ask @FryDaddyJr for an explanation?


    Your perception of how a business works is not very deep. Very little that a manger does has to do with "watching" those who work for them. You would do well to interview one sometime, really digging for a deeper understanding.
     
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  6. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    I certainly did. My newest man wrote me a very detailed two page memo and came in here and talked with me man to man about it. He is a young single father and I empathize with his problem and do allow him to work from home far more frequently than others. I even pay for his home internet so that he can function from home. However, it was also his work that cost this company the most errors in 2020. My background is construction estimating. I can do the job from my home as well and have done so. There are too many distractions tugging at a person from their dining room table. Home is simply not conducive to keeping your energy and focus on your work.
     
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  7. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    I was more hoping for empirical studies on the efficacy of work from home. Anecdotally it can work or not in any given business, but whether it more generally works or not is what I'm interested in. We probably won't get a good picture of that for a few years.
     
  8. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    I admire your flexibility and understanding for his situation. In general would you be open to part time work from home with most employees? Like 2 or days a week from home? A lot of businesses did that pre-pandemic as well, but I wonder if it will be more standard soon.
     
  9. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Clown.

    Tiny Tim Philosophy is not a foundation for a Federal Republic or a Capitalism based economy.

    Stop with the can't we all get along and the "I admire" insincerity baloney. You know you do not mean it. You are an avowed practitioner of the Ideology of Division. You would be thrilled with any collapse of any capitalist business entity.

    I continue to be amazed at the members that engage your disingenuous and misleading and misdirecting remarks.

    '"Gee, Mom and Dad, I don't know how to live with all the unfairness and inequity in the world. Please tell me what to do (sniffle/honk/sniffle)".........while at the same time, distracting Mom and Dad so your Marxist-Socialist toy buddy (that you groomed because he is a bit dumber than you and is a good worker) can rip off Mom's pocket book and Dad's weapon and ammo.
     
  10. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    You must've been hurt real bad by someone. I can only hope I'm not half as bitter and mean as you are when I'm your age.

    More than anything you make me sad, because I pity you for the hate in your heart. It seems a wretched way to spend retirement.
     
  11. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Clown.

    The usual response from an avowed anti- Federal Republic anti-Capitalism Ideology of Division fanatic....attack with negative psychological profiling, coupled with phony sadness and pity for the sins of non-enlightenment (no prayer offered though-it is not the atheist mantra) and the constant BS straw man accusation of hate filled bitter old man.

    You want coddling? Clown.

    Retirement? Assumption, Clown.
     
  12. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    I am going to paint one more picture here and I am departing this conversation. There are unrealistic expectations at play here...... Friday one of my guys got sick and told me on Saturday that he was Covid positive. He was in the office most of the day Friday so I consider my office contaminated. I have set up a sanitizing crew to come in this evening and told my entire staff to work from home today. I am in this office alone today...... Now I have eight people working for me. I sent out a group message to all eight saying that I would meet them at 6:30 am this morning and I would walk in and retrieve any laptops or files that they needed to work on from home today..... One person took me up on that which was my expectation. It happened to be the one person that is driven in my organization and will be a success at whatever she does in life.

    People are not all created equally. Some are driven to excel. Others are not. Those that are driven do not require supervision. Those that are not driven do require supervision. Fir six of my eight employees, this was simply a morning to sleep in and that may be just fine in a perfect Utopian world. In the real world, it is simply expense to a business owner that has to meet payroll regardless.
     
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  13. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    For the first time on this Board, I consider your post to be the very definition of an employer that is a Capitalist in a Federal Republic, and what the responsibility entails and what the employer does to evaluate the social, economic, practical, and logical paths forward, to continue growth and contribution to a society For The People, including crisis interruptions and political interference that is rooted in an Ideology of Division.

    Good on you!
     
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  14. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Absent monitoring of remote workers doing their thing at home, one cannot be sure workers are meeting expectations. It's one thing to do the minimum to get by, and another to make oneself valuable to a company.

    In my mind, the only remote work arrangement which does not need monitoring is in a fixed price / fixed deliverable contracting relationship or a piecework contract, where performance is easily measurable against a fixed standard.

    As for an empirical study of employees working remotely for employers paying salary or hourly, I can tell you that everyone has their own motivations, so you'll probably never get the whole truth from anyone willing to volunteer answers to some survey, and therefore will not be able to reach a truly meaningful conclusion. Sure, advocates of this methodology will tell you the results will be meaningful, but they have their own motivations as well.
     
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  15. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism


    It's really none of my business MD, but I hope you remember who is who and reward them accordingly (not all the same) when bonus time rolls around next year.
     
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  16. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    I keep up with my Greenstamp book.
     
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  17. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    I had to think on this statement for a little while. I find it extremely enlightening, if a bit disturbing. It's almost religious, the line "evaluate the social, economic, practical, and logical paths forward, to continue growth and contribution to a society For The People" is particularly strange to me.

    I had been confused for a while why you kept accusing me of being an atheist, it felt like such a non sequitur. But now I understand that this religiosity is deeply intertwined with your feelings towards capitalism. You might say profitablity is next to godliness in the church of the almighty dollar. Well, I suppose there's no point in trying to win over a zeolot.
     
  18. charley

    charley Well-Known Member


    Clown.
     
  19. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Alright, you guys really aren't going to enjoy this article, but this describes where a lot of the coordinating for general strikes, activism against Kellogg's, etc. is taking place.

    https://www.ft.com/content/1270ee18-3ee0-4939-98a8-c4f40940e644

    And yes, they say the M word. Uhh, do you guys do trigger warnings? Anyway, it's there.
     
  20. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Sigh.....
     

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