What is BO really up to?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by David, Mar 15, 2010.

  1. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    It sure looks like BO is going to shove his vision for healthcare down our throats, doesn't it? In view of the opposition from the public, businesses, Conservatives and even his own party, you gotta wonder why. What's it it for him? Why is he trying to so drastically change our nation?
    There are numerous alternative plans that are less expensive and less obtrusuive while still helping the needy among us, not to mention the fact that we have other far more pressing issues we are dealing with.

    It just makes me wonder.
  2. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    You keep right on wondering Davey boy. WTG Obama for pushing it through, for if he lets it die, he knows it'll NEVER get resolved. I say jam it through and fix it as needed in the future. We wait for the republicans to do anything besides obstruct, time will expire on us all. The "numerous alternative plans" were ignored until he addressed the issue.

    Mostly though....I'm happy because, besides it getting jammed down the republican's throats, is because it's THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Capitalism SUCKS. Just finished watching Michael Moore's latest film....excellent!!! I highly recommend everyone take the time to watch it. Greed is living on it's last legs and it's friggin' great!!

    Can you say 51 votes??? Take that you stinkin' champagne guzzling, imported cigar smoking, elitist, greedy corporate criminals. Your day is coming soon too. Choke on your wealth you outsourcing, merging, corporate "capitalist" creeps. Right on Obama!! More to come I hope. About time somebody has some b*lls and kicked the right wing criminals where it counts.

    On another note. Thanks Davey for giving further inspiration to return to posting in this forum.
  3. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    Michael Moore, huh?
    The hyocrite who bashes the same country & system that gave him the opportunity create & operate his own business? Michael Moore the capitalist multi-millionaire? The guy who owns stock, loads of stock, in big corporations including insurance companies & banks? The same guy that owns homes all over the world? The guy who has been taken to task by unions for not using union employees in his business? The guy who says he developed the fat, disheveled, unshaven look so he could "blend in" with blue collar people?
    Is this the Michael Moore you hold in such high esteem?
    Welcome back, tomc, the place got a little boring around here without it's resident fool!
  4. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Not that I have any interest in debating this silly thread of yours because it is nothing more than trolling, but I have to say that you are so clearly a right wing tool that wasting any time even challenging your baseless claims that have been disspelled countless times would actually damage humanity and insult very concept of common sense.

    Just for fun, name an alternative less expensive plan. :D
  5. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    From the CBO:

    Updated Estimate of Budgetary Impact
    CBO and JCT now estimate that, on balance, the direct spending and revenue effects of
    enacting H.R. 3590 as passed by the Senate would yield a net reduction in federal deficits
    of $118 billion over the 2010–2019 period. Approximately $65 billion of that reduction
    would be on-budget; other effects related to Social Security revenues and spending as
    well as spending by the U.S. Postal Service are classified as off-budget. In the estimate
    that was provided on December 19, the estimated budgetary impact was a net reduction
    in deficits of $132 billion, of which approximately $81 billion would be on-budget.

    But by all means, keep pushing the lies and talking points of the GOP.
  6. Pepperoni

    Pepperoni New Member

    My opinion only on Mr. Obama.
    He is a predictable ideologue. His life is what he is. He will let the troops take fire head on if he thinks it serves his purpose.
    A mass take over of America by the 21st century PROGRESSIVES is his aim to complete. Socialist and progressive I use as the same political view. He is a pathological bender of the truth. He may very well cause Israel to use nukes on Iran because they feel insecure with what he knows, and does not know.
    His congress follows him but now are starting to feel naked as the show moves on. Americans Willl not let a takeover prevail from the inside. If we only get a few talking it will reveal a lot about a vast plot .Words like "Food .Silver and lead " are being used.
    Not good for a country , any country.
    Obfuscating the real reason for health care has eluded people who have little time except to survive in these times make a message difficult to get out and stick.
    The money is moving around faster then a shell game. The treasury is broke !
    Treason ; is the betrayal of your country or cause. Many in our government will qualify once, who knows what, starts in speaking of what has gone on behind closed doors for years. You wil have to pay something for information , but it should be worth the task.
    A socialist kills you in the Womb , a communist waits until you're of no further use.

  7. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    You were right about one thing and one thing only Pep, it is just your opinion. The rest of it however, is just a bunch of viscerally fearful extremely negative circumstantially oriented reactionary tripe to use the RNC's language. You have been direct marketed and made to believe that as a true believer it is your patriotic duty to mentally man the front lines against this most evil enemy….your president.

    Man the RNC knows you guys well. You have to give them credit for knowing their base. Maybe this is just my opinion but I’d check into actual facts from time to time before posting. Try not to only look for those sources that agree with your already held opinions and deem them as the only real facts out there. I suggest looking for motivations behind the rhetoric like campaign contributions. Follow the money as they say. Your opinion would carry much more weight if you posted a couple of facts once in a while. Opinions are nice but they are like your arse, everybody has one and nobody wants to hear yours.
  8. Pepperoni

    Pepperoni New Member

    Oh yea ,
    Why are they having such a difficult time with 65+ percent of Americans not wanting this particular health care plan ?
    As an independent I believe all incumbents should be removed from office. New starts now.
    I have had the more then unpleasant duty of watching a country implode under this type of spiral down effect.
    Obamaa was bought and paid for by more than 200 million dollars from out side of this country. He talks the game you want to hear. That would make you a progressive in todays terms. In America you can be what you want. It is nice to know who is helping and who is not.
    I think for my self, if you can not get over being duped by "The Boys from Chicago" on who you voted for that is your problem.
    I do not care what the GOP does , I see what Obam , Acorn, SEIU , Andy Stern ,Rev Wright , Van Jones and a whole ring of Progressive advisor's do . Some are avowed communists and socialists. So this is who you are, and what you want ?
    Sorry wrong country , wrong universe.

  9. arizonaJack

    arizonaJack Well-Known Member

    This thread reminds me of why I only check in here on a weekly basis. Lefties who have zero integrity or intellectual honesty. Sorry guys, last post from me. Anything left is good, anything right is bad.

    This outta get me banned:

    you leftie losers with no B A L L S to admit corruption when you see it.
    And yes, I am sober. TC, You should move to Cuba get over your class warfare, you choose to be a loser and you are, so get a job and move out of your moms basement.

    Moen, I am so dissapointed .

    Watch the Language Jack, it's not a imtelligent way to discuss things and you know it also why try to get banned if you dont want to post then dont, but dont try to use been banned as a excuse
  10. clembo

    clembo Well-Known Member

    I've been watching what little activity goes on here from the sidelines basically but I have to ask this of Pep. Just how much Glenn Beck do you watch and follow as gospel?
    I see it in your posts dude.

    Take this for example from this thread.

    "A socialist kills you in the Womb , a communist waits until you're of no further use." I did the ole copy and paste into a Google search and guess what I got?
    Well, here it is.

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&... use.&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

    Hey! Congrats to all of us on PRWE we got the first hit (nice job Pep). The THIRD hit is.......drum roll please.....about Glenn Beck!


    Okay folks.

    I think it's pretty clear (and has been) that I think Glenn Beck is a total jagov.

    He spreads crap like a fertilizer spreader whether or not it's true and his followers just buy into it. Remember "Cash for Clunkers"?. Was one of our "conservatives" that proved his "information" to be BS.

    I could go on but really need to ask you Pep. How much Glenn Beck do you watch? I see it in your posts.
  11. Pepperoni

    Pepperoni New Member

    Glenn Beck is a Capitalist. He is making as much money as he can, I could not watch while he learns . There are tons of older books that have the same stuff. They can be easily found and cost little.
    Beck or O`Reilly no nothing of how our military runs and what it means to America .
    Being there after the fact is nothing but a smell and burned out vehicles.
    Michael Yon is the pipe line to our troops.
    The terms I use come from reading about WW11 and knowing people who fought on both fronts.
    My Father in Law who is 92 was at Pearl Harbor during the bombing. He was a carpenters mate on BB-38 The U.S.S. Pennsylvania. There were two destroyers in the dry dock ahead of the Pennsylvania. He retired after 22 years as a Navy Commander.
    I had one uncle who did the tour through the Solomon Islands 1941 -1945 he made it back decorated but never the same.
    I did my tour as a Navy Corpsman with the FMF Recon group from Pendleton 1958-1964 . We reconed everything but the Nam.
    Both my brothers in law were casualties in Viet Nam. Both Marines. One KIA in 1966 the other died from the effects of agent orange in 1977 . He was an Engineer for a large county in CA, Contra Costa.

    FMF is short for Fleet Marine Force

    Do I ever watch Beck sure, but not often. I read and talk to a group of friends that are true Americans.


    Read Proverbs 17:7 This says a lot.
  12. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    Yes..that Michael Moore.

    I got your fool right here.
  13. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    And your right wing alternative would be whom??? What shining example of truth, justice and the American way does the right have to offer? Bender of the truth? Not the outright hard core liar that Bush and his party are huh? Well...step in the right direction if you asked me. I'll take a bender as opposed to a liar.
  14. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    It has to be correct because the right is so against it. Easy.
  15. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    Maybe you ought to take your $300,000 income Jack and buy some new rich boy toys to play with. Far as admitting corruption...I've seen it from 2001-2010. What's that...you can't beat 'em .. join 'em attitude? Hey man....maybe fight fire with fire. Right on Obama! Stick it to 'em hard! Thanks for showing your true corporate, money grubbing, elitist colors too Jack.
  16. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    51...righties. 51.

  17. clembo

    clembo Well-Known Member

    That's great Pep. I sincerely thank you and your buddies for the service to OUR country.

    Now can you tell me the difference between someone like myself for example and your TRUE American friends?
  18. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Pep the three names you list (Andy Stern ,Rev Wright , Van Jones) one is head of the second largest union in America & Canada so yes I would expect any competent goverment to talk and listen to him, One is a retired preacher who is a ex Marine & a Navy Corpsman (wonder if you knew that) and the Third left office in 2009. so can you now tell me how they are part of the group who surround President Obama? Also I have pointed this out before if Congress follows him all the time why has he not allready passed all of his ideas into law? Can you also tell me what support has he removed from Israel that would require them to launch a nuclear strike against Iran?
  19. Pepperoni

    Pepperoni New Member

    Have you done anything in your life to make America a better place to live ? I do not know who you are or what you do.
    The people I know are many who were in the military or some not. Those who have added to their community taken care of a kid who has no father at home because he is in the Army,Navy , Marine Corps.I have another friend who coaches intercity BB every week for about the last fifteen years. It is giving back and paying your way when you can.I worked with Veterans for a number of years.
  20. Pepperoni

    Pepperoni New Member

    You might tell all that the CBO only projects what numbers they are given. If you do not tell them everything you get a wrong answer.

    Read Proverbs 17:7 If you have a Bible

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