Wondering About Marxism

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Mopar Dude, Nov 10, 2023.

  1. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    I never had much interest in the subject until recently and I never had any experience in higher (or even lower) education. But lately I been trying to put my finger on the pulse of this national chasm that is growing. I cannot for the life of me understand the recent uprising in support of Palestine. To me there is seldom such a clear division between good and evil..... But I keep coming back to the Marxism question and I want to ask what is likely a very imbecilic question, but to me it will help tie up some lose ends...... In a Marxist perspective are there only two divisions? You are either an oppressor or you are the oppressed? And I realize this is far too simplistic a question to encompass the subject at hand, but for me I believe it will tie some loose ends together.
  2. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    No. In general, communism is is a system of government and Marxism is philosophy... liberal, socialist, economic , as example, as opposed to the wacky thoughts of communism...(revolution, really).... anarchy, militant, religious (yes religious).

    If a person were to narrow to 2 types of communism, the scale would tip either Marxist or Leninist, and the attendant baggage between them, which is where the philosophy part comes in.

    These opposing philosophies are the very failure of communism as a system of government.
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  3. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    PS: I hope this short explanation does some good, or at least opens up some paths for additional thought.

    A deceiving question, is Christianity a communist philosophy? Is Judaism a communist philosophy?

    And the BIG one...is Islam a communist philosophy?
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  4. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    I can’t speak to Islam or Judaism. I have spent a little time in my good book and if you take the beginnings of the church, yes it was very much a sharing of worldly goods foundation. So yes, I would say that is a communistic philosophy. But I also know that Paul told the Thessalonians that those that don’t work don’t eat. And that to me carries with it the implication that those that work harder eat better.
  5. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    I think in general you are using applied logic, the best way to consider communism. There is theological theory....and it goes back 100 years and proposed by the Jesuits (and is till considered a valid Canon)...that Judaism and Christianity are rooted in communism, and to an extent, the remnants are still practiced, as examples only a Pope, exclusionary control (think Princes of the Church i.e Cardinals), Rabbi status, control via catechism/Torah, etc., as examples.

    As to Islam, consider The Good Book and Noah, specifically his 3 sons. In the oldest texts of Islam (and the oldest historical renderings found in Ethiopia), one son to the Middle East, one son to Europe, one to Greater Asia, and yes, there is the "mystery" of the 4th son and the unknown dispersal to unknown continent/country, although there are some presentations that his wandering was to the South America territories, and consider Solomon and the Queen Saba of Ethiopia and the historical aspects of the Good Book, The Koran, and the Scrolls that hint at their son being the cradle founder of Christianity in Ethiopia (hmmm...vs. the mysterious 4th son of Noah...). The point being, humanity is completely intertwined and denial of this commonality is...well...communism.

    The Jesuits know some stuff. Then again, there is that pesky Canon Law thing, but that is another story.

    I will stop now, I am becoming boring. It is enough to state all things are connected, just as all the Great Books of Religion opine.

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  6. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Because, and this has been stated many times, the Palestinian people =/= Hamas.

    Protesting in support of the Palestinian people is in no way calling for harm to Jewish people or inherently supportive of Hamas. Can you accept that?
  7. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    And war is hell. Sadly the Germans learned that when they allowed Naziism to take hold and become aggressive towards its peaceful neighbors. This is as clear as spring water, Gene. Hamas threw a very vicious first punch. Israel has every obligation to defend itself.
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  8. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    "First punch" is a stretch for a long-standing conflict


    I can't for the life of me understand what's so bad about protesting against continued civilian casualties and displacement. Are you pro-killing Palestinian civilians? I doubt it. If you're not, great, you're of the same mind as the protestors.
  9. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Those who look past the passivity of the Palestinian People would do well to consider the direct applicability of what @Mopar Dude has offered here.

    German society in general surely did not envision the atrocities toward, and the attempted extermination of the Jews when it passively allowed Nazism to metastasize within it, yet that's exactly what occurred.

    By allowing Hamas to hide in their shadows, and by not implicating them, the Palestinians are headed in the same direction.

    Seeing far enough forward when Nazism grew was likely more difficult than in today's situation, as we today have that glaring indelible example which still burns in the memories of so many.

    Much of the assistance the Palestinian People needed before the butchering of 11/07/23 had been provided from international sources, yet the intended benefits never materialized because the funds were intercepted to mount an offensive war.

    There can be no doubting the outcome if Hamas, Hezbollah, similar groups and the Iranians are not stopped. Their vision is single-minded and fanatical. For the Palestinian People to sheepishly / indifferently pretend nothing is wrong only amplifies and extends their suffering.

    Excise the cancer . . .
  10. What U ignore

    What U ignore Thread KILLER

    Obviously this ignorant member has not seen AND CANNOT PROVIDE ANY LINK TO A PORTEST IN FAVOR OF THE PALESTINIANS THAT IS NOT FILLED WITH JEW HATING PROTESTORS. That is the reason this worthles propagandist has put two members here that challenge his ignorance on "ignore!"

    Any educated person knows that the word "ignorant" can be applied to anyone when discussing a specific topic. Unedugated members cannot deal with being called ignorant when they are truly uninformed about the subject of a discussion.

    Any low character clown who cannot/will not defent their posted opinions shoul be given a short "vacation."
  11. What U ignore

    What U ignore Thread KILLER

    GeneWright, posted: "I can't for the life of me understand what's so bad about protesting against continued civilian casualties and displacement. Are you pro-killing Palestinian civilians?"

    :rolleyes: This is the type of comment I expect to read from a soft. spoon-fed, priviledged, young, brainwashed American child, who has never served his country's military and does not understant the facts of real life and REAL WAR! Innocent people die. Young children as this cannot even stand up to a frirndly Internet debate. They will be worthless when this country needs them.
  12. What U ignore

    What U ignore Thread KILLER

    @GeneWright, posted: : "I can't for the life of me understand what's so bad about protesting against continued civilian casualties and displacement. Are you pro-killing Palestinian civilians?"

    Lesson #1 for all of the soft, brainwashed, limp-wristed, wimp, snowflake, do-gooders in the world: THE OBVIOUS REASON ANY CONFLICT LASTS MORE THAN IT SHOULD IS THAT ONE PARTY IS NOT TOTALLY BEATEN INTO ERADICATION OR TOTAL SUBMISSION!

    I wonder if the ignorant clowns know that Hamas is killing innocent Palestinians civilians trying to escape Gaza.
  13. freshmeat

    freshmeat Can't touch this

    1947, eh?
  14. What U ignore

    What U ignore Thread KILLER


    2099, eh? :rolleyes::( So very, very sad.
  15. What U ignore

    What U ignore Thread KILLER


    620BC,eh? :p:D
  16. What U ignore

    What U ignore Thread KILLER

    Friends of upload_2023-11-13_13-36-14.png
    Princeton University, Ivy Pals Forever, show your penny loafer stuff.

    1789, eh?
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  17. John Kamps

    John Kamps Active Member

    Marxism is an idea that was wacky to start. It was anti religion/ anti capitalism/ anti class system. Their utopian dreams of equality/ communes/ no social classes/ was first tested by Lenin after the 1918 Revolution in Russia. They quickly found out that the "Whites" pro Czarist factions were not on board. So, Lenin order Leon Bronstein (Trostsky) to eliminate the Whites/ which resulted in a 5 year Civil War/ millions died. At home Lenin created the CHEKA to exterminate "enemies of the state" again millions were tortured/ shot. Meanwhile his economic policies were a utter failure/ million died from famine. Stalin would murder his way to the top of the "Soviet Paradise" Only Kirov stood in his way/ so he had him murdered/ blamed it on OGPU Head Yagoda. From 1936-30 tens of millions were purged/ including Yagoda.
    You can call 1918-1953 the "nightmare years" The same policies were employed by Chairman Mao/ this time 100M died/ ditto Cambodia (Khymer Rouge/ Pol Pot)
    N. Korea/ Kim Family. Capitalist Democracy is the only system that works. In my case I do the work of six people make 6X more $$$ to build a great coin collection/ lifestyle/ now looking for this....but with factory sidepipes! Black with red stinger hood scope. 3c0f89a75960d8fc9600963581c5e6c8.jpg
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  18. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Always wanted a 63 Splitter myself, but I’m not going to spend that kind of money on a car. I nearly bought one when I was about 25, but it’s a good thing I didn’t. I wouldn’t have given it the respect it deserved.
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