How Do You Feel About Your Boss Dictating Your Healthcare?

Everyone knows the case before the S.C. I am referring to. If you don't, you've been living in a cave or watching FOX. A few facts: This case was brought to the S.C. by conservative groups. It squarely puts your employer between you and your doctor. It is aimed at the Affordable Care Act since Hobby Lobby had no issue providing birth control coverage for women as part of their benefits package before the ACA. The far reaching consequences of having your employer decide whether or not you can have access to coverage for blood transfusions, immunizations, or any other medical procedure based on their religious beliefs is simply staggering.

I know the Right is constantly complaining that government is coming between you and your doctor and actually running Koch brothers funded ads to that effect, but they seem to be OK if your Christian Scientist boss decides that you cannot have a blood transfusion covered to save your life. Hypocrisy? Undoubtedly so. Freedom, feel free to abuse it.

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You word that as though Hobby Lobby has changed their policy from before Obamacare to after Obamacare. Would you care to elaborate just what changes they have made?

 

Per the Evangelical owner of Hobby Lobby....

"Mr. Green says he was shocked to discover Hobby Lobby was in fact offering in its insurance plan some of the emergency contraceptives at issue. He called for the insurer to revoke that coverage and signed onto the lawsuit."

Now that that is cleared up, can you answer the question that is in fact the title of this thread?

 

If you had kept reading, you would have discovered that happened in 2012. My question remains - what changes were made prior to post Obamacare? And, FWIW, it does point out the Hobby Lobby STILL HAS " no issue providing birth control coverage for women as part of their benefits package".

 

I would have to say, that if you choose to accept the healthcare coverage provided through your employer, you will have to accept what their plan covers....otherwise you are free to seek out your own coverage.

 

Based on "their" religious beliefs? So you have no problem with a boss deciding what type of healthcare you can get? Health coverage plans do not discriminate based your religion currently. You seem to want to open up the pandora's box of religious discrimination and face it, there are some pretty crazy religious beliefs out there. You want to be subjected to them all?

 

Sure. If an employee doesn't feel the plan provided by the employer is suitable, that employee has the freedom to explore every other option that exists.

 

On the other side of the coin, how many of us have the option of choosing which government we want to live under?

 

That is not this issue though is it? It is the employer deciding that they are going to insert their religious beliefs into your medical treatment options and they are basing their picking and choosing of your medical coverage on their own religious beliefs. You can't pretend that this is just a matter picking one health plan over another. It clearly isn't. It is picking which medical coverage options the employee can get based on the employer's religion.

 

As an American citizen, you are free to leave any time you wish. No one will stop you. Try Russia.

 

Clearly, your employer would have the right to decide what is covered under your insurance plan and what isn't and base those choices on some religious doctrine they believe in. They would have the ability to dictate so many aspects of your personal life especially women. If a multinational corporation run by a Jehovah's Witness decides that medical care is contrary to their beliefs, they can eliminate healthcare completely. Why should corporations be treated like religions? They aren't.

 

As an American citizen, you are free to quit your "job" any time you wish. No one will stop you. Try 1-800-656-4673.

 

Sure it's the issue. Employers decide on a myriad of vendors based on personal preference...why would their healthcare provider be any different?
Plus, who would be surprised in this case? The owners deeply held religious beliefs aren't exactly something they've kept secret.

 

This needs to be considered for some time. Perhaps forever.

The precedent could lead to much bigger ramifications.

Consider a simple scenario.

Let's say someone doesn't like the Hobbylobby plan so they get their own insurance which just so happens to not agree with HLs policy.

Can HL fire them if they find out? They have beliefs after all.

Do you think rejecting an HL plan would "set off some flags?".

I figure it would.


...and then it get's uglier.

 

Regardless of your inability to comprehend the actual issue, what happened to freedom and choice? Why does freedom and choice end at the corporate door? Aren't corporations just people that have to abide by the laws the same as the rest of us? In addition to being people, are corporations now also churches? How come corporations are mentioned nowhere the Constitution by the Founding Fathers? When exactly did the robber barons become the final say in our lives? It was individuals that built this country and fought for our freedoms and stood up to injustice not corporations. Your loyalties seem subservient to your own welfare in my opinion.

 

Wooooord!

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What about employees who hold religious beliefs that are violated by an employer's healthplan? If an employer provided contraception & abortion but it offended a Christian employee should that employer be subjected to the beliefs of the Christian employee?
It's just like the cafeteria at work, if I don't like the offerings I'm free to bring my own or go elsewhere to eat (or even elsewhere to work if I find the employers choices too offensive).

 

I guess moron joe has abandoned the thread?