Obamacare - DAMMIT! It Was Only A Matter Of Time Before This Happened!!!!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by CoinOKC, Nov 3, 2015.

  1. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

  2. Daniel Jones
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    Daniel Jones Well-Known Member

    By the way, I just thought of something. You have not mentioned anything about your health care coverage. I am wondering if you like your plan? Is it too expensive? Do you often visit hospitals? Am I too nosey? Ha, ha!
     
  3. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Like most people, my plan has nothing to do with the ACA. I work for the State and have group health insurance. It's not particularly good coverage because it is through the State but I will not have to sign bankruptcy if I get cancer.
    Every year, everyone's costs go up and this has happened for over 30 years now. Under the new ACA rules, those cost increases have begun to slow down for the first time. Health insurers only want to insure people that don't get sick. Why do you think Medicare exists? People tend to use the most medical services after they are 65. That's why the government had to create Medicare in the first place. No private insurer wanted to pay for elderly patients. We have had a for-profit broken health care system in this country and the ACA is only the first step towards fixing it. We all deserve basic health care as a right, not as a privilege. There are 17 million more people in this country that have private health care coverage since the ACA began to be implemented.

    Do you see the denial that people like davy-wavy adhere to? Wow! It's just stunning sometimes.
     
  4. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    Doesn't denial make you feel better?
    What does it accomplish?
    What I take away from our exchange is that liberals really don't give a damn about the people as long as they can take some measure of satisfaction out of scoring (perceived) political points.
     
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  5. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    I don't give a horse's ass about political points. You just can't admit that you like Obamacare because you live in an insulated Right-wing bubble that tells you to hate it so you try and draw a phony distinction between Kynect and Obamacare that doesn't exist while you continue to live in complete denial. Just try to be a man for once in your pathetic life and admit that you actually like Kynect which in reality is Obamacare. Your ego will survive I promise you.

    What you should take away from this exchange is the reality of Kynect being nothing more than Obamacare through a state exchange.
     
  6. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    Yeah, back to that again, huh?
    Let me say say this one last time...and hopefully slowly enough so even you can understand...
    The Ky subsidized healthcare program that existed before Obamacare (and was voluntary) was better for the people who needed it.
    Understand?
     
  7. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Just as I suspected, not man enough. Typical. Now slink away slowly. Have you come up with any proof yet? Didn't think so. You poor bastard.
     
  8. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Obamacare is a disaster. But KyNect is awesome!

    By Greg Sargent April 1, 2014

    Steve Beshear just announced that more than 370,000 people have now signed up for Obamacare on KyNect, the state exchange. More than one out of every dozen Kentuckians — 8.6 percent of the state population — now has obtained coverage through the exchange, Beshear’s office said, claiming that a preliminary analysis has established that three out of four enrollees has reported that they were uninsured before signing up.

    Beshear’s office adds that more than 21,000 signed up in the last three days alone.

    But as recently as three days ago, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky was denouncing Obamacare as “disastrous,” lamenting the “catastrophic effects” the law has had on Kentucky families, and insisting that “the pain caused by this terrible law is easy to see.” He claims the law must be uprooted “root and branch.”

    So the question is, Does there come a point at which Alison Lundergan Grimes can more directly target McConnell for wanting to take health coverage and security away from hundreds of thousands of people?

    Grimes has generally stood up for the idea of expanding health coverage to Kentuckians and has said we should not repeal the law. But in a recent interview with Philip Rucker, she quickly moved off the topic of Obamacare, as is her wont. And some Kentucky Democrats, such as Rep. John Yarmuth, have suggested that there are ways Grimes might be able to take on McConnell over repeal a bit more aggressively, particularly given that enrollment numbers continue to mount in Kentucky, expanding coverage to untold numbers of poor, rural folks who desperately need it.

    Grimes appears to be adopting a strategy of deliberately avoiding engagement on Obamacare. There’s a plausible rationale for this. The campaign seems to have calculated that above all, she should avoid getting drawn into Washington arguments (such as the one over the health law). That’s because one of her chief strengths is that she never served in Washington (and didn’t vote for the law). If Grimes’ main assets are that she’s very much of the state and represents something new — making it easier to paint McConnell, with his low approval ratings, as part of the Washington problem — then avoiding association with Washington Democrats and controversial national legislation perhaps makes sense.

    What’s more, Dem Governor Steve Beshear — perhaps the most aggressive defender of Obamacare in the south — can do the heavy lifting in terms of attacking McConnell for wanting to take coverage away from hundreds of thousands. He tends to speak of the law’s achievement in Kentucky in strong moral terms, as a great policy achievement that has helped people’s friends, neighbors, co-workers, and fellow church-goers. While he does this, one line of thought has it, Grimes is free to focus on the minimum wage, equal pay, and her jobs plan for Kentucky.

    Here’s something to watch for along these lines. While “Obamacare” and “Obama” are still toxic in Kentucky, the exchange known as KyNect appears to be enjoying a far better reception in the state. As Perry Bacon has pointed out, “Kentucky’s implementation of the Affordable Care Act has been wildy successful,” so much so that even Republicans in the state speak highly of the exchange:

    Even Republicans here say that some Kentuckians will criticize Obamacare but in the next breadth emphasize how well KyNect works, as if they are not part of the same law.

    So it wouldn’t be surprising if you saw Grimes start hitting McConnell for wanting to repeal KyNect, especially if enrollment mounts and a critical mass is reached. After all, even Republicans in the state tend to talk about it as a Kentucky creation, not a Washington one.
     
  9. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    You just keep doubling down on the stupidity with every post. Don't you get tired of being the forum fool?
     
  10. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    You've yet to even try and prove me wrong and I've proven you wrong a half dozen times. Please, feel free to make a fool out of me any time you can. I am anxiously looking forward to the attempt, if you ever get around to it. You simply are too small of a person to admit you are wrong. How sad for you. Your mind has been poisoned for years and you don't even know it. What do you expect me or anyone to do about that?
     
  11. JoeNation
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    What Kentucky Residents Need to Know About Obamacare

    Welcome to the fastest way to find out about Obamacare in Kentucky.

    Here, you'll find clear and accurate information about Obamacare, including:

    • whether or not you must get health insurance
    • what the available plans cover
    • how much coverage will cost
    • how to sign up for a plan, and
    • how to get help if you need it.
    To begin, keep in mind these key points about Obamacare in Kentucky:

    1. You are legally required to have health insurance, unless you qualify for an exemption.
    The Affordable Care Act requires you to enroll in a health insurance plan unless you qualify for an exemption from the law. You will report whether you have coverage -- or whether you are exempt -- when you file your taxes in April.

    To learn whether your current health plan satisfies the requirements of Obamacare or to find out whether you qualify for an exemption, see Do I Need to Get Obamacare in Kentucky?

    2. Open enrollment for 2016 health insurance plans runs from November 1, 2015 to January 31, 2016.

    For 2016 health plans, open enrollment runs from November 1, 2015 through January 31, 2016. During this time, Kentucky residents may use the website kynect to choose their health insurance plan, apply for cost-saving subsidies, and get other help they need.

    If you are currently uninsured, you can use the state marketplace to compare plans and enroll in a plan that meets your needs.

    If you already have health insurance, you may want to keep your current plan -- or you can use kynect to shop for a new one.

    To learn more about enrollment, see How Do I Sign Up for Obamacare in Kentucky?

    3. You may qualify for subsidies that will save you money.
    Many people who sign up for insurance at the Kentucky exchange will be eligible for cost savings. Savings are available in the form of tax credits to help you lower your premiums or reduce your out-of-pocket costs for care.

    If your income is very low, you may qualify for free or low-cost coverage through Medicaid in Kentucky.

    For more information, see Ways to Save Money on Obamacare in Kentucky.

    For an overview of how much health care plans cost under Obamacare, see How Much Does Obamacare Cost in Kentucky?
     
  12. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    It's not your fault davy, you listen to a lying scumbag like McConnell.... He gets away with it because Kentucky is filled with stupid people like you.

    The Affordable Care Act in Kentucky: It's Working
    Posted: 05/29/2014 3:22 pm EDT Updated: 07/29/2014 5:59 am EDT

    For months, critics of the Affordable Care Act boldly vowed to eradicate what they insisted was a failed health reform plan -- vows they repeated even as thousands, then tens of thousands and now hundreds of thousands of Kentuckians began accessing insurance and coverage via the health benefit exchange that we call "kynect."

    Now comes Kentucky Sen. Mitch McConnell's amended election-year promise, delivered as he's fighting for his political life: To rid the state of the ACA even while keeping all the good that "kynect" does.

    At best, of course, his promise represents a fundamental misunderstanding of the ironclad link between the ACA and "kynect." At worst, it's a blatant attempt to mislead Kentucky families for his political benefit.

    While that is fun to ponder, the salient point is this: Even critics are acknowledging that the ACA is bringing health care to those who desperately need it. In short, it's working.

    I see the ACA's positive impact first-hand in my home state, a place whose collective poor health has long been jeopardizing the lives and financial security of hard-working families who can't seem to get ahead.

    Recently I was cornered by a Kentucky radio talk-show host with a large and rabid following. He didn't want to discuss politics or sports. Rather, he began telling me about a pre-existing health condition that for years had prevented him from obtaining health insurance. But thanks to "kynect," he now had coverage.

    I wasn't surprised.

    No matter where I go, I'm greeted by people who have used "kynect" to access good health, peace of mind and financial security.

    • A young, self-employed woman who, a month after getting coverage, was rushed to the hospital for an emergency appendectomy.
    • A widow with three children whose employer didn't offer insurance.
    • A woman with multiple health issues who had been going without medicine while caring for a disabled adult child and four grandchildren, all of whom had insurance but her.
    • And a diabetic who had been unable to afford the insurance his employer offered and thus couldn't treat or monitor his condition.
    In fact, over 421,000 Kentuckians have signed up for health insurance through "kynect" -- about 75 percent of whom didn't previously have insurance and about 52 percent of whom were under age 35.

    That's almost 1 in 10 Kentuckians.

    Those numbers -- and the testimony of the people behind them -- contradict the mindless nattering of partisan-minded critics who need to leave their Washington D.C. echo chambers and talk to the people they represent.

    Because if each of the over 421,000 people who signed up via "kynect" could grab 10 minutes of Sen. McConnell's time to explain what health care coverage means for their families, and if the Senator had the endurance to listen 24/7, it would take eight years to hear from each enrollee.

    That's longer than the entire new Senate term he says he deserves.

    Rather than continue trying to tear out the ACA "root and branch," as Sen. McConnell has advocated, he should understand why it's been embraced and why it's working.

    Improved access to health care has had an immediate impact on the lives of these families. Statistics show that over 20,000 newly insured Kentuckians have sought care at hospitals since receiving coverage.

    And over time, that care will help lift Kentucky off the bottom of nearly every health ranking.

    In Kentucky, improved access to care -- especially preventive care and early diagnosis -- will help us move forward with "kyhealthnow," a wide-ranging initiative to attack historically stubborn problem areas like smoking, heart disease, obesity, cancer and dental care.

    No wonder Sen. McConnell and other critics are suddenly leery of how voters might react to their desire to take health insurance away from 421,000 Kentuckians.

    A study of the health insurance system in Massachusetts, which was a model for the Affordable Care Act, showed a significant decrease in the state's mortality rate in the four years after that law was implemented. In other words, it was saving lives.

    It's already doing the same in Kentucky.

    More than seven months ago, an op-ed column I authored for a national audience appeared under the headline "My state needs Obamacare. Now."

    And in the months that followed, leaders in Washington and the media recognized Kentucky's successful Exchange as the model for the nation.

    I was asked repeatedly for advice on the ACA, and I counseled patience: Take a deep breath. Settle down. Once the bugs were ironed out in the national exchange, people would quickly understand the good that the ACA does.

    Today, that is exactly what is happening across the country.

    Back on Oct. 1, 2013, at the beginning of this journey, I was a lone Kentucky voice telling Sen. McConnell and other critics to "get over it and get out of the way" so that I could help my people.

    Now there are over 421,000 of us telling them that the future belongs to the productive and healthy workforce we're creating.

    It's time to get on board or get left behind.
     
  13. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    Tripling down? How about quadruple down?
     
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  14. JoeNation
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    Hey @David You can kiss Kynect good bye now. The "KY" in Kentucky must refer to the lube they use when they bend you over and give it you.

    Although, as you say, it is in no way related to Obamacare. Right!

    KY GOP VOTERS PISSED AT NEW TEABAGGER GOV FOR FOLLOWING THROUGH ON PROMISE TO KILL THEIR OBAMACARE


    Kentucky has had, by any measurement, a wildly successful implementation of a state health insurance exchange and Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act. A substantial number of those benefiting from this are poor people in more rural areas of the state, who are overwhelmingly Republican. These are the same people who elected a Tea Party Governor promising to take away their health insurance.

    Obamacare literally rescued over half a million people in Kentucky from dying due to lack of healthcare, or from bankruptcy due to medical bills.

    To show their appreciation, Kentuckians elected a governor who promised to destroy their health insurance exchange.

    Tea Party elect, Governor Matt Bevin, ran on a platform promising to completely remove the Kentucky state exchange as well as removing the Medicaid expansion so many poor Republican Kentuckians relied on. So of course, Republicans voted for him in droves.

    MSNBC reports on one individual who depended on Obamacare, who also knowingly voted for Bevin:

    Dennis Blackburn has this splintered self-interest. The 56-year-old mechanic hasn’t worked in 18 months, since he lost his job at a tire company that supplies a diminishing number of local coal mines…. He has a hereditary liver disorder, numbness in his hands and legs, back pain from folding his 6-foot-1-inch frame into 29-inch mine shafts as a young man, plus an abnormal heart rhythm – the likely vestige of having been struck by lightning 15 years ago in his tin-roofed farmhouse.
    Blackburn was making small payments on an MRI he’d gotten at Pikeville Medical Center, the only hospital in a 150-mile radius, when he heard about Big Sandy’s Shelby Valley Clinic. There he met [Mindy] Fleming, who helped him sign up for one of the managed-care Medicaid plans available in Kentucky.

    One has to ask, why in the name of God would anyone, even a Republican, vote for someone who was guaranteeing to take away their desperately needed health insurance? When asked, Blackburn said he voted for Bevin because he is not a “career politician”.

    Blackburn then went on to tell the Washington Post:

    t doesn’t look to me as if [Bevin] understands. Without this little bit of help these people are giving me, I could probably die…. It’s not right to not understand something but want to stamp it out.

    Honestly, why? Why would you do this? Matt Bevin never hid his intentions AT ALL during his campaign, but this person voted for him anyway. Then he acts surprised and upset that Bevin will do exactly what he said he would do. What in the hell goes through a Republican’s mind when they vote?

    To top it all off, Bevin publicly promised to release his tax returns after the election. When asked with his win, if he would do so, he flatly said “I don’t.” He also pledged to remove all county clerk names from marriage licenses, because somehow this will create jobs and defeat the terrorists.

    Does any Republican actually feel good about voting for this guy now? I really want to know.
     
  15. Rightwinger

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    Given I make in a month what most get/make in a week:

    Govt/supreme court law mandated health care is unconstitutional and can lick/kiss me where the sun don't shine and the sooner you folks on the left realize it's govt over reach the better.

    FREE MARKET is where it's at even if more expensive and I reguardless if it benefits me or not.

    Why you ask............ cause pride/honor means more to me than entitlement or govt handouts.
     
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  16. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    So when your "pride/honor" ends up costing the rest of us $$ in higher insurance premiums because you show up in the emergency room after your latest drunk driving accident, at least you'll have your "pride" and "honor". Nice! Irresponsibility takes the form of many rationalizations including pride and honor.

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  17. Daniel Jones
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    Daniel Jones Well-Known Member

    I must admit, I have not studied up much on KY health care, but I do know when group finances go into any giant pot luck, abuses, fraud, and theft is inevitable, regardless of what Mr "Cheerful" claims.
     
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  18. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    I simply can't wait to pay for both of your health care expenses because your pride and honor were more important than my hard earned money. Thanks!
     
  19. Daniel Jones
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    Well, according to what @CoinOKC said, you are in the top 5% wage earners, so you can afford it! Ha, ha! Unless CoinOKC is lying, or you are lying.
     
  20. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    That pretty much makes you a welfare queen. Ha ha ha...

    P.S probably between 3 and 4% at this point.
     

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