So what's the feeling on Vance?

Your proposal, your burden of proof. If you're right though, then you'd have to in turn admit illegal immigration is much smaller of an issue than is being portrayed.

We trail substantially though. Besides, we also trail "rest of Europe," "southeast Asia" generally , and "global." The argument we're moving too fast is based on feelings not facts.

Edit: you're right toughcoins, poor color contrast on my phone led to me misreading the graph

Sure it is. "It's on the news" isn't quantitative evidence, you know this. If it bleeds, it leads...

They didn't try to "bail out students trying to walk away from debts they incurred" they bailed out the defrauded and tried unsuccessfully to lightly bail out those that fell victim to the highly predatory industry.

You're thinking in a way that will continue the stagnation of the U.S.

It's not pouncing with reckless abandon to try to learn from our neighbors.

 

More than 10 million illegals crossed over on land during the Biden Administration.

Even if none of the visa overstays were forgiven, the total number of overstays is smaller than the overland illegals. More than likely, however, most holding work visas have been forgiven based on their employer's claims of hardship.

Both are problems, but that doesn't make illegal overland immigration any smaller of a problem.

I acknowledge the generally socialist "Rest of Europe", but you're double-dipping with "Global". Furthermore, "Southeast Asia" lags behind the US.

Hardly . . .

Suuuure it is (blinders full-on).

That's precious, coming from a progressive . . . Steele Dossierre, Russian Collusion, Hunter's fake laptop, Trump's staged assasination attempt, etc.

Your turn . . . prove those bailed out were defrauded, and the others were not victims of their own choices.

Am I? I don't oppose change for change's sake . . . I oppose the counter-productive.

Learning is one thing. Thoughtlessly mimicking is another . . . lemming!

 

That's not true though. Many recent years have overstays outnumbering people entering via the border, and we have even seen record overstay in recent years.

Perhaps it's double dipping, but being behind the global average demonstrates we're playing catch up as is.

You're right on SE Asia, I amended my last post and credited you.

Your post from 2 years ago is interesting because nearly everything has been addressed since then and is in much better shape. Probably because we're playing follow the leader with the rest of the world and they did a lot of the work for us.

Regardless, looks like you're damned if you do damned if you don't on the EV issue. Here's your boy on it recently: "I’m for electric cars, I have to be because Elon endorsed me very strongly"

Defrauded: I was referring to these forgiveness plans
Others: the loans are highly predatory and given to children. Many people pay for years and are only able to pay the interest and a tiny bit of principal. There are many cases where people pay thousands of dollars over years and wind up owing more than they started. To address cases like this specifically, the SAVE plan was designed not to forgive, but to limit the accumulation of interest, while primarily only changing payments for those under the poverty line.

It's not "for changes sake" if there's clearly problems to be fixed. Is the U.S. perfect as is?

"Thoughtlessly mimicking" is your words, not even close to what I was saying, and I don't think a fair interpretation of:

"draw on the experiences of policy in other countries as maps towards what could work in the U.S."

And

"won't scale perfectly with every policy, but it can provide good roadmaps and expectation benchmarks."

 

You have already been lambasted about being wrong on both counts. Way more than 6 and being under the average obliterates your most of the world claim.

But my question is ... Why do you toss out nation count? What is the value you claim of that in the discussion?
Was there a point hidden in there?

 

What a piece of work. You admit then immediately spin around a re-offend with the same falsehood. Attention span of gnat poo.


This is why your arguments are never taken seriously. You are about as allergic to facts as your der leader.

 

BEHOLD! Rock solid genius:

Now there is some mud squishy logic right there!

You need to learn about Caterpillar Metamorphosis.

 

Overstays outnumber illegal entries? . . .

2023
Overstay report not yet issued
2,061,723 illegal crossings

2022
853,955 overstays
1,993,694 illegal crossings

2021
88,765 overstays
1,321,674 illegal crossings

2020
684,499 overstays
400,651 apprehensions during COVID-19

2019
676,422 overstays
977,509 illegal crossings

There . . . I’ve done your work for the last time . . . Go do something constructive instead of expecting others to do the work for you. I’m sick and tired of you liberals always wanting shortcuts to satisfaction.

 

So they're pretty close, as they've always been. Especially because apprehensions and crossings are only a proxy for the total number of undocumented immigrants living in the U.S.

If you assume the CBP is doing a good job, there's far less actually making it into the country and setting up shop via the southern border. If you assume they are doing a bad job, it could be much higher.

 

Here's an idea. For a change, how about giving an intelligent comment the next time you post?

 

No, they are not pretty close . . . Hundreds of thousands different, the numbers are nowhere near the same.

More importantly, the character of the offenses are entirely disparate. Overstays likely started out innocently enough, intending to be here for a limited time, and to return to their home country.

From the very start, illegal aliens planned to break our laws. They had no intent of improving or maintaining our nation, but of siphoning from its centuries built strength, same as the Democrat Party does.

 

Similar orders of magnitude, is what I meant. Except for 2021, which I'd wager is also due to the lack of issues visas to overstay during COVID

 

I have intentionally sought out JD Vance interviews since he was tapped to be Trumps second in command and I have become very much an admirer of his thoughtful demeanor and his ability to rise above the continued attacks and remain focused on policy issues….. How anyone can attach “weird” to this upstanding man after listening to the narcissist that Harris has picked is way beyond me. Heck, Trump could take lessons on self promotion from Walz.

 

Well one thing is for certain after listening to Kommunala and Tampon Tim. They are absolutely, totally, completely, unequivocally weird.

 

Still shocking how bothered republicans are by being called "weird"

That was like month ago and you guys are still doing "we're not weird, they're weird"

 

An elephant never forgets.

 

So what's the feeling on Vance, you ask, @GeneWright?

Among other issues, he openly opposes excessive pharma prices, bank bailouts, gender-altering (it is not gender-affirming) care for minors, and raising the national debt ceiling. Clearly, there's a balance in his approach and beliefs which is not possessed by the 'Progressive or Bust' types.

Not only does Vance possess the intelligence, deliberative nature, and compassionate demeanor necessary to lead the nation alongside Trump, he also demonstrates a far more realistic, less idealistic bent than either Harris or Walz, and at a much younger age.

Both having lived half again as long as Vance, neither Walz nor Harris have yet reconciled what one wants with what one can have. That's a sure sign of immaturity on their part.

By the way, that's not just my feeling on Vance . . . that is Vance!

Now, liberals, get your feelings out of the way, and vote based on facts! You cannot have everything you want . . . you must take the bad with the good . . . we all must.

 

Can not comply with your illogical idea. It would not be a change.

 

Like when he was a never plumper? need a link?

 

Some people learn as they age . . . Hop to it.

 

Waffling duff is vp material.