Here Toad, pick out the lies!!! You're the expert. Obama’s Extremist views on Gun Control Obama, given an "F" rating by the NRA September 9, 1996- Supported legislation to “ban the manufacture, sale, and possession of hand guns.” December 13,1999- Proposes a ban stating that there should be a federal law to ban any gun store from operating within 5 miles of any park or school. This radical anti-gun idea would close more than 90% of gun stores in the U.S., leaving guns for sale only in the most remote, sparsely populated areas of our country. Also announces support for a 500% increase in the excise tax on firearms and ammunition. May 16,2003- Voted to limit firearm purchases to one per month. Supports Ted Kennedy’s bill to ban the manufacture of all currently existing semi-auto hand guns. May 20, 2004- Absolutely opposes self-defense shootings anywhere, including in your own home. Voted to allow prosecution of crime victims who use a firearm in self defense. “Obama was given the opportunity to stand up for a crime victim and for the right to self-defense, or to stand in support of local gun bans. He chose gun bans. He voted 4 times against the measure, which eventually passed over his opposition, AND over a veto by anti-gun governor, Rod Blagojevich. In 2005, voted for a ban on practically all center fire rifle ammunition. “As a principal,” he supports banning the sale or transfer of ALL FORMS of semi-automatic weapons. His own words. Supported SB 1195, a radical bill that included banning double barreled shotguns 28 gauge or larger and many semi-auto shotguns, along with HUNDREDS of models of rifles and handguns. If SB 1195 had passed, any Illinois resident who possessed one of these guns 90 days after it went into effect would have faced felony charges. The bill died at the end of the legislative session. Completely opposes right-to-carry. 40 STATES have laws that fully respect the right of law-abiding citizens to carry firearms for self-defense. Another eight states allow some carry permits. Only two states- Wisconsin and Illinois- completely prohibit permits for honest people. He supports this total ban and wants to expand it. Why does senator Obama support a federal ban on concealed carry??? “A federal ban was needed,” Obama said, “to prevent other states’ flawed concealed-carry laws from threatening the safety of Illionis residents.” (We’re supposed to fear law abiding citizens according to Obama!) Continually supports bogus lawsuits against gun manufactures, which is not only an attempt to bankrupt the companies and put them out of business, but also abuses our court system. From 1994-2001- Board member of The Joyce Foundation. The largest source of funding for radical anti-gun groups, political operatives, researchers and causes in the country. The Joyce Foundation is the anti-gun movement in this country and Obama was one of it’s leaders. April 22,2007 – States support for a ban on STANDARD capacity magazines! December 11, 2007- His website states support of gun owner licensing and firearm registration. February 15, 2008- Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping (Most people here probably can't even tell me what that is!! lol) April 2, 2008- Obama again announces he opposes state Right-to-Carry laws showing he is against the desires of state, local governments and people, existing in 48 out of 50 states!! "It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others: or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own." - Thomas Jefferson
Couple of things there I can agree with, gun shops shoudnt be near schools period nothing wrong with registring guns or Micro Stamping here is a explanation of the term (it might help solve murders in the future) Firearm microstamping, ballistic imprinting and ballistic engraving are all names given to a technology that has been developed with the goal of aiding in ballistics identification; it involves the use of laser technology to engrave a microscopic marking onto the tip of the firing pin and onto the breech face of a firearm. When the firearm is fired, these etchings are transferred to the primer by the firing pin and to the cartridge case by the breech face, using the pressure created when a round is fired. After the spent cartridges are ejected, these microscopic markings are imprinted on the cartridges, which can then be recovered by police and examined by forensic ballistics experts to obtain information to be used to trace the firearm through its life to, hopefully, the purveyor of the crime This technology will be required in California starting in 2010. I do disagree with interfering in your state laws that allow people to carry conceled wepons, I doubt that they hand out the permits without any form of check so why change something that is not broken. I am also ambivlent on the one wepon a month is there any real reason for someone to buy more?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is why you live in England and nobody has the right to have anything there anymore. LOL! I love how people like you try to rationalize anything the government tries to impose. The location of a gun store is absolutely meaningless. Somebody can buy a knife from California and take it to a school in New York and do whatever damage they want. It is a stupid, pointless law, only looking to make things harder for shop owners and hopefully to drive many out of business. Sure! Microstamping is great. If they're willing to do it for free! Quite on the contrary, you can expect prices of firearms to greatly increase for this added protection. And then the all-knowing Obama is going to assume that no criminal would be intelligent enough to grind the microscopic imprint off these areas before they commit a crime! How deeply he must have thought about this! Your last comment is so outrageous that I refuse to respond to it.
So I dont think gun stores should be near schools what is bad with that? perhaps you would like to see gun shops in schools LOL as for your knife argument how stupid can you get why would they need to go to Califonia to get a knife when they can pick one up in the kitchen at home LOL Do you have a problem with something that might help solve shootings? even if it only brings one perp to justice it is worth it or do you hold the lives of your felow Americans in such small regard?? What is outrageouse about asking why someone needs to buy more than one wepon a month? Yes we have strict gun control overe here because on the whole we never have been a gun using nation, nothing wrong with it as it works for us. Who is rationalizing anything I am giving my opinion on what you posted or are you now against that as well? You realy dont like others to have a opinion that is contery to yours do you LOL
Let me ask this of you then In the USA just about anyone (Depending on the state) can go and buy a fierarm, as long as they are not convicted felons or below a certain age? Do you allow any one to legaly drive a motor vehical without first obtaining a license that says they are proficient enough to handle the vehical? A fierarm is a deadly wepon if placed in the hands of a unskilled user just like a car or a truck, then why do you not have compulsery lessons in the use and care of fierarms? If you enter any one of the services they will not give you a fierarm and send you out on active duty with it until you have proven your proficency so why should civilians be treated any differently?
Here in Las Vegas I go to four gun shops within about 12 miles of each other, and none of them are near any schools. The names are ..Machine gun kelly's gun vault..Accuracy guns....the gun store...and American shooter. Just in case you want to look them up. Guns are already expensive, so whats some more add ons? 700 bucks for a Kahr 9mm? That gun isnt worth it. As an NRA lifer, it'll be hard for anyone to get my firearms.
As far as licensing is concerned, decent argument. Maybe you have something there. But the only problem is, who comes up with the requirements and who gets to decide to pass or fail somebody? A lot of room for opinions of anti-gunners. Too much room. Actually, I'd be willing to compromise. If they would be willing to pass concealed carry for all 50 states, making it legal in every city and town, and impossible to be over-turned, I'd be open to people getting licensed. But there is no compromise. The politicians only want to TAKE. They never give anything back to us. So at some point you need to draw a line, dig in and refuse to give up anymore, no matter how good it sounds. I am against micro-stamping because it is only a guarantee to raise prices for everybody and cause a hassle for everybody. If it helps solve one crime, was it worth the hassle? To answer your question, no. Not to me it isn't. The criminals will catch on to what's happening and remove any micro-stamped areas before using the weapons, thus only putting more of burden on law abiding citizens. Once again. Not enough positives would come from this to warrant the cost or the hassle. So you're telling me that a shop sitting at 5 miles away is more dangerous than a shop that is sitting 6 miles away? 20 miles away? We have cars. People can get places quickly. This is just another made up, liberal pipe dream, wild, impractacle solution to cause havoc on gun store owners. You have to be willing to see it for what it is. Not try to rationalize it. I think it's very clear that he's not on the side of gun owners. There's no sense in pretending like he is in some way. Then you ask, what is so outrageous about being able to buy more than one weapon a month. Well, some would say it would be safer if we only let somebody buy one a year. The next guy will say one allowed every two years because that's even better! The average American is not looking for ways to take away more freedoms. "Limits" are just that. Limits to freedom. We don't need morons in congress dictating purchasing limits on anything. It's called freedom. Not to mention that all this would do is hurt store owners and manufacturers once again by limiting their sales and trying to put them out of business. The end goal is continually the same. Given the fact of the freedoms we have and the population we have over as broad an area as it is, I'd have to say it's relatively peaceful. Several hundred thousand people die a year from smoking related causes. It's a known fact that nicotine is addictive and there are a multitude of cancer causing agents in cigarettes. This is a real epidemic here. Is the government concerned for the citizens? Is anybody proposing a ban? LOL! Nope! It's encouraged. Farmers are subsidized to grow tobacco and the only punishment involved for selling it is ever increasing taxes. So as long as the tax revenue is rolling in (despite the negated cost of health care costs) the government doesn't care about this. They don't care about the people's welfare in this instance. So which is it? Do they really care or not? Or are they pushing an agenda.
By your ''limits'' logic; we should be able to drive as fast as we want. No limits. How about no limits on age when it comes to sexual intercourse? Do you think that pornographic books stores, topless bars and XXX theaters should be right next door to schools? Isnt that imposing limits on thier rights? As for cigarettes. I think that if everytime you put a Lucky Strike in your mouth and lit it, you blew your brains out; they'd be banned.
Nope I believe I said I had no problem with that concept, I never said anything else If you dont like having morons in congress why not stand for it yourself? Why exactly do you think you have elected officials? Those self same morons enact laws that help to protect you and your families try thinking of that one. Just how many wepons do you personaly think is the right amount for personal protection LOL Oh and you have not answerd my question about buying and owning guns not having any sort of legal requierment to be proficient in the use and care of the said wepons LOL or dont you think that responsible citizens should behave in a responsable manner? Now on to smoking I do believe that a number of States/Cities/Towns have made smoking illiagle in goverment owned establishments, here in Europe you can no longer smoke in cinemas/Cafes/bars on public transport, I also believe that it is prohibited on Airlines (with the exception I believe of Aeroflot) Here is a link to a wiki article on the number of places in the USA were they have smoking bans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans_in_the_United_States
Vess1, you wrote if you are interested in them(guns?), then you know what you're doing. So if you are interested in airplanes, you know how to fly them?
You come across as a person who likes to argue just to argue. Your analogies are poor and increasingly juvenile. I suppose most people that would have a question about how to do something would ask another gun owner or consult the owner's manual. A little less complicated than a plane, wouldn't you say?
And a bow and arrow is even less complicated than a gun. Maybe you should be more clear when you post. What I think you meant was ....if you are interested in guns you should find out the proper method on thier use. Is that correct? I like guns. I have quite a few. I even have pics of them on cointalk. And I've heard that people want to take them away for going on 20 years. I still have them. Its not an argument. This is a forum. I just dont agree with you. I dont take much of this very seriously. Admit it bub, you think next year this guy is gonna be on his knees in the oval office shootin' craps with pimps and junkies. And we'll be forced to eat chiltins and collard greens.
