Should the United States get involved in Iran's recent election? And should Mousavi be condemned for urging his supporters to take to the streets?
Yes, I agree. However, detractors of the new administration are complianing that the presiedent of the US isnt doing enough.
I agree stay out of it. Let the cards fall where they may. Also have a question for the "detractors". What would their solution be? Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran? It's easy to detract. It's much more difficult to provide viable solutions to the detraction.
I would say us meddling in their internal affairs the first time gave us the Ayatollah so yes...lets sit this one out. If I learned one thing from the CIA declassified files it is that we dont have the best track record when it comes to interfering in internal affairs of other nations.
Lets ask ourselves here, for one thing, what in the F does O know about free elections after all? Is this not the guy who was born from ACORN? The ACORN lawyer who helped train and defend the shysters? Black Panthers at polling stations, dead folks voting, crackheads being paid to vote with cigarettes and 40oz bottles of malt liquor? 20 or more indictments of ACORN leaders? 80 percent conviction rate? What he does not want to do is offend the Mullahs and Supreme leaders, then he can still negotiate with them as though they are a legitimate elected governance. Freedom? C'mon, that done mean crap to the O administration. Demonstrations against the current administration? Hell, thats coming to an end in USA, who are we to think that it should be alowed in Iraq. Next thing you'll read is that Iran is silencing the media and interefering with news coverage, that of course could never happen here, could it. Be sure to watch the ABC infomercial from the Whitehouse with no allowed opposition. Next thing you know is that Irans prez is having Huffy reporters planting questions and reading from a teleprompter !!!!!!
When you calm down would you please read what you just posted? I'm serious Jack. You're setting yourself up for a grabber.
LOL No actually Dan I'm quite calm in my statement and assement of the current situation. Sorry, maybe the daily koz is not reporting this or that the moveon gang has spun it to your liking. You cal yourself a thinker. Think.
Do it all the time Jack and rarely see DailyKoz. Can you post some links? I'm serious as hell here Jack. I've seen you go from Mr. Conservative (where I believe you still are) to I hate that SOB McCain, to I might just vote for Obama to I'm leaning Libertarian and now it's constant attacks on Obama. Your first post quoted here is what really got me. Damn are we going back to ACORN again? It's over dude. Black Panthers and 40 ounce Malt Liquor? Why not throw in fried chicken, watermelon and collard greens? I'm not thinking? I'm thinking enough to read between the lines of the racist rhetoric. Not saying it's you either Jack but I have been around the hood a few times as you have. Where is this "information" coming from? As for Iran I still say let the dust settle and what will be will be. Take it from there. I'm not looking for a fight here Jack. We've done that. I just want some info. You've been on a really heavy attack Obama mode lately. You may believe I don't think but I do. I also observe, note and remember.
Well Jack looks like you got it wrong, the man spoke out against what is going on in Iran "What he does not want to do is offend the Mullahs and Supreme leaders, then he can still negotiate with them as though they are a legitimate elected governance". Oh and they are still the legitimat elected Goverment , this election was not for the Goverment Jack but for the President These are the Goverment The Majles-e Shura-ye Eslami (Islamic Consultative Assembly), The Guardian Council, The Expediency Council, The Assembly of Experts and over them all the Supreme Leader Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Hoseyni Khāmene’i The last elections were as follows Experts (2006) Local (2006) Legislative (2008) Now back to the Question we still should stay out of it. they are allready blaming us (Specialy the UK) for the riots and have just expelled two of our diplomats (We have retaliated) So what do you want President Obama to do Jack?
Even with all that is happening in Iran, B.O. still sees fit to invite Iranian diplomats to D.C. to celebrate our 4th. Yeah...that sends a message from the so-called leader of the free world. You would think the leader of the FREE world speak up immediately and denounce what is happening in Iran. Oh...thats right, he doesn't want to upset the "True" muslim mullahs there. Earth to B.O., they already hate us and will ALWAYS hate us! It is their religion of Islam. What are you afraid of...They STILL will hate us??
On lunch at work so this will be a quickie. Dan, back to ACORN again? When did it end? There looking to rebrand and possibly even change the name. Google or YouTube Acorn buying votes in black neighborhoods, some even went before congressm to tell of the free Newport cigs and 40 ouncers, some registered 20 times. It's there if you look, but you have to WANT to know the truth. Do the same as well for the Black Panthers in Phili.....charges were not suprisinly dropped by an O crony. Nothing racist at all, none. Just the facts. The racism word is used by lefties when they dont like what they hear and cannot reply with counter facts or proof, It's the liberal hail mary "" RACIST "" Steve. I wouild hope O would offer hope and encouragement to those seeking an escape from persecution and oppresion from a tryanical gov, sorta like Reagan did with Poland in the 80's. Do you remember that Steve? We sent help and look what resulted. O is soooooo afraid of offending muslims, of course he will do nothing, then he will accept that kook as president. He is a patsy. Look at Korea now. Do you think korea would be showin their a z z like this with a strong leader in the whitehouse? Hell no, Omaba is a weak patsy, facts proove that. Yes Dan, I am an arch conservative. I rail on McCain because he is a Liberal posing as a repo. Get the F out of the party, McCain, your stinking it up. As for my recent O rants, well, gee, lets look at what he has done to this country.
Careful...such talk if you don't agree with B.O. and more government intervention along with runaway printing of our money gets you labeled as a "hate monger"
How did acorn get in this post? Were they in Tehran too? Were they giving out goats and nine year old girls to vote for the opposing party?
Now then Jack do you want to tell us exactly what you want President Obama to do? he has openly critizised Iran, which you did not think he would do. North Korea so they woudnt have played up under a Strong American leader? do you agree that in 2003 President Bush was just a strong leader? Well here is a interesting article http://www.nautilus.org/fora/security/0315A_ Mansourov.html And a relative passage Is it possible that the Dear Leader chose to escalate the current nuclear crisis not necessarily to gain any bargaining advantage or leverage vis-�-vis the United States but in order to shore up his sinking domestic support and to rally his power bases firmly behind his leadership? It is plausible to speculate that Kim Jong Il may be rushing to "the other extreme" to be "the hardest of the hardliners," So what did President Bush do? well strangley enough the same as what President Obama is doing LOL As far back as 1992 the US was talking about the North Koreans nuclear obligations, here is a link to some declasified documents held by the National archives http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB164/ Yet what was the response to these concerns? well just more talk.
Well the invites to Iranian embassy staff round the world to attend the 4th of July celabrations has been revoked, so no hot dogs for them
Steve I cannot remember how many nuke tests and missles that N Korea fired during the Bush administration. Can you help me out here?
Certainly Jack October 9, 2006 less than 1 kiloton was thought to have misfired Followed by a number of missile tests
And I must ask do you think that they managed to create there nuclear device that was exploded on the 25th of may in the period that President Obama was in office or is it possible that they had been working on it for a number of years prior to his even been elected The North Korean nuclear program has been in place since the 50's Jack they studied at Joint Institute for Nuclear Research in Dubna, ever heard of the Yongbyon Nuclear Scientific Research Center they had a Russian supplied IRT-2000 reactor completed in 1967. Uranium irradiated in this reactor was used in North Korea's first plutonium separation experiments in 1975 By the 80's they started on a 5MWe Magnox plant and that 1st went critical in August 1985 (wonder were President Obama was then?)
Steve, I will research it deeper. They may have popped a firecracker or two, but never did they threaten to destroy America. When was the last time Iran bit c h slapped us? Oh yeah, thats right, it was Carter. Another incompetent boob. A loser of the largest magnitude. We are heading back to theose days tho, 2 digit unemployment, interest rates and inflation is only a whisp away. Lets print more money, that'll solve it , right? You seem so willing to stand up for the terrorists and N Korea and the socialists, dude , your freakin me out. You either have a job here at PRWE to be an instigator and make provactive comments, or you are really that sick. You have stood up for Neville Chamberlain of all people. That has me shakin my head dude, I must find your alterior motive in all this. No one, I repeat no-one your age can say the things you say with a straight face. EDIT: I need to add a smile here Steve, because I like you , I am just lost as to some of the posts you make. I know you have something up your sleeve. That is your job.
