Cali will vote to legzlize it!

Isn't that the way alcohol "basically" is Tom? I say "basically" because people can drink a beer at a ball game. I would not want people smoking pot at a ballgame and I sincerely doubt it would be allowed considering you can't smoke a cig at a ball game.

Look at it this way. I can drive down the road and drink Pepsi all I want but I can't drink a beer. The same should apply to pot.

People coming out of bars and hitting the road get busted. Same rules should apply to someone that smoked too much. I believe most people would partake in their own homes anyway.
I still drink a beer or more if I feel like it but haven't had one in a public venue in ages and NEVER hit the road if I have had any.

Many companies run drug tests. Well, if you work for one that does you should run the same risk of termination.

Second hand smoke? I don't see that as a huge issue unless a non smoker chooses to be with smokers.

You have this really set view of "stoners" Tom. I'd be willing to bet there are people you deal with on a daily basis that smoke pot. Seriously man.
I don't anymore but I still know lots of folks that do. I don't partake and I don't hang with them but they hold down jobs like anyone else.
I worked with a guy whose wife is a judge. She smokes pot.

 

Theoretically. But, in reality, not so much, I think.

I find it somewhat ironic that smoking is being outlawed in bars when I doubt it is as much of a public safety hazard as all those machines outside just waiting for chemically altered brains to come out and try and control them.

Bars are just places for drunk drivers to socialize before they hit the road.

 

Hey I got an idea. Let's all make up our own rules based on our individual whims and desires that not everybody agrees on. Let's see...

DUI's...I think they're stupid because how the hell are you supposed to get home from the bars at 1:00 in the morning? Not everybody drives badly when drunk. Some actually drive better! Very annoying this whole not driving after drinking thing. Why shouldn't I enjoy the pleasure of driving high just because some other jerk can't handle his alcohol? Cabs are just lined up outside of restaurants and bars waiting to take people home, aren't they? Besides.most people are going to drive anyway, so let's not make it illegal until the drunk actually causes some kind of damage. If he makes it home..hey..no harm..no foul. He's helping the economy by patronizing the local bar he hangs out in. Why penalize the bar just because of a statistic? I think the markets should decide. Government needs to be out of people's lives. The American people know what's good for them!
Too poor to frequent a bar? Quit complaining whiner. If you don't like being poor, the just become rich like us! We can always get someone else to do the work we actually work we profit from. Let's at least raise the legal limit to .70. Hell that's only one seventh of one percent of ACTUAL blood alcohol content! That's nothing!
and speed limits...who needs those? I want a Corvette but if I can't drive it as fast as I want to, then why drive it? Speed limits are really stupid. I could get to the bar and home a lot faster if I didn't have these impositions to deal with.,and executive pay bonuses...hey..the sky should be the limit. Screw the poor slob that has to survive on what falls out of my pocket. Get rich if he doesn't like it!


Or we could have a decent society where people treat each other with respect, corporations treat employees like people instead of spread sheets, and we all settle for a little less instead of a little MORE.

Nah...screw that!! More baby more! Woo hoo! Screw you too! That's how we do it baby!

 

Non smokers vs smokers? Flawed logic there Bud. Who has the right? The guy who wants to smoke and suck in the cancer he ignites, or the person who doesn't smoke who chooses to breathe cleaner air? Virginia, for example, is just now banning smoking in public restaurants. Until recently, it was sufficient to seperate smoking and non smoking under the same 20x20 roof. Who's right's are being ignored and whose are being catered to?

 

Or we, as a society, could just realize that one person's rights and liberties end when it endangers the rights and liberties of another person. Nahhhh. Too tough of a concept. Better to just pass laws to make people more morally pure and less degenerate.

 

You ever tried a joint Tom? do you actualy know what it's effect is? You say smoking pot makes people stupid!! now that is somewht of a genralization isnt it! in the same way saying someone who has a drink now and again is a alcoholic.
Sure there are people who abuse all types of substances but there are also those who use them quite sensibly.
Have you ever been to Holland Tom? quite legal to have a joint in certain cafe's but only as long as it has no tobacco in it LOL not legal to smoke on the streets but ok at home. Now as far as I have seen most Dutch folks are quite normal

 

Tom,

Are you saying you would support the legalization of marijuana as long as public use of the drug remained illegal? If so, thank you for being willing to compromise. I don't care if the public use is illegal. I just want the money spent on the war on drugs to stop and the revenue now collected by drug dealers to go to the government. Let the drug addicts fund the social programs of this country.

 

Yeah Stu...that might be possible if people weren't so arrogant, ignorant, greedy and selfish (or corporate in short). But that isn't the real world we all live in..is it? We live in a 'screw your neighbor'...'I only am concerned about what applies to me and what I think' society. (there are exceptions but that generally isn't the rule from where I sit).
Corporate greed, self importance, and the bottom line on tomorrow's P & L statement is all that matters. So dictates the elite to the corporations, and the corporations to the piss ant that employ them. That's the real world brother, and so long as it's like that, we need stupid laws for stupid people.

 

I'm well aware of it effects DeOrc. It makes you think your senses are so enhanced, you THINK you can hear the earths vibrations and music has so much more detail! That and you get paranoid and hungry, and your eyes glass over and you look like you're high...because you are!
Never been to Holland so you got me there but it is irrelevant what they do in Holland. It is relevant what the asses that use that stuff are doing when they're not watching Cheech and Chong movies.

 

No. I'm saying if the dreggs want to get stoned in a predetermined place and not be around anyone except other stoners, and out of sight...I'd be FOR letting them do it without being arrested.
What's next? We grow it and sell it like tomatoes? We advertise pot commercials like we do the drug commercials fifty times an hour? Maybe the next Superbowl's sponsor could be the "Hemp for Hypocrites" corporation. Maybe instead of Super Bowl, we call it Super Bong? Maybe a national pot observance day off.
Limits...we all need them imposed to deter us from making stupid decisions. When I hear people rallying in the streets for pot and it's deemed a benefit to society as a whole, perhaps I'll change my opinion. Until then it needs to stay just the way it is. ILLEGAL.

 

And that, my friends, sums up the liberal mentality!!

Limits imposed to deter stupidity? And who should be the one who determines (for all of us) what constitutes stupidty?
(Let's see if tomc is capable of giving a mature answer)

 

Corporations shouldn't exist in the first place. They are created by politicians and allowed to operate by politicians. No one else is really responsible for their existence. A company that has the rights of a person that negates the responsibility of the people who own and operate it? Doesn't sound like personal responsibility to me. I know you will say it is the evil Republicans but it is really both parties. They all have their hands in the cookie jar.

But that is a whole 'nuther topic...

I just don't believe we need stupid laws for stupid people as long as those stupid people aren't infringing upon anyone else's rights. I am not such an idealist that I think that nothing needs to be regulated and controlled but the freedom to be stupid is pretty much like any other freedom. lol

I just think we have too much morality police and morality laws in the world as it is and people should generally be able to do what they want to do as long as it is in a private place and doesn't hurt anyone else.

 

Replace 'stupid' with 'immoral' and you have the righteous republican mindset.

 

Yep it certainly can give you the munchies that I cant deny but as for paranoia!! possibly in a few people (Never come across one personaly) why is the use of it in the Netherlands irrelevant Tom it shows how the use of the drug can be controlled and how money can then be better spent combatting the real causes of crime such as crack cocain.
Do you think if the drug was legalized that the entire USA would suddenly get high?? Oh and you get glazed eye's when you drink beer n spirits so what does that prove?
Did you know that in Alaska it is not illigal to posses canabis?
(Alaska Supreme Court and lower courts have ruled that personal possession of cannabis is protected by state constitution's privacy clause. As recently as Sep 14, 2004, the AK Supreme Court refused to overturn a unanimous Appellate Court decision that police were not allowed to enter a home simply based on smelling cannabis smoke outside. See Pot vs Privacy, Oct 2003 and Alaska Supreme Court chooses privacy over pot, Sep 2004 and Eric Sterling's Response. The Alaska Legislature passed a law banning cannabis, but a judge struck down the law in July 2006: Judge rules against Alaska marijuana ban law, Jul 2006, AP. ACLU Press Release July 11, 2006)
So California is not the 1st LOL

City of Denver votes to legalize possession of up to an ounce of cannabis. Although police will still enforce Colorado state law, the city population has clearly expressed that they are disatisfied with the state laws 2005

Few other states have changed the laws regarding the medicinal use of the drug

 

Tom,

Earlier in this thread you stated that marijuana should be illegal because it is morally wrong.

YOU CANT LEGISLATE MORALITY

Once you realize that, you will begin to see the benefits of legalizing it.

 

I think you can legislate morality. But I think the question is 'should we' and, of course, if we should...the other question is whose morality...Yours? Mine? Bush's? Rush's? Palins? Stalins? Obama's? Osama's?

 

Smoke away! Privately...quietly..and out of sight as not to subject me to your morality. That fair enough?

 

Take David for example....

10 cases...200 1-ply.

 

That's a fair point. Majority would have to rule, I'd say.

 

You want to keep comparing pot to alcohol..I understand the comparison. Long as you're comparing the similarities, how about the differences?
Alcohol doesn't expel any cancerous smoke or gases to blow in or around your neighbor's space. If you fall asleep with a beer in your hand and it falls over..I'm pretty sure it won't catch the carpet on fire or put burn marks in it or burn the house down. Alcohol generally won't make you wonder how many complete universes there may be underneath your fingernails. You can have wine at dinner without forcing anyone else to drink it.

Some similarities. Both impair reasoning and judgment and enhance stupid behavior. Both are offensive to different people. Neither are required to live your life.