Cali will vote to legzlize it!

Do some of you think that people who dont smoke pot now, would start if it were legal? And someone here mentioned if one commited a crime while high, he should go to jail. Wouldnt he go to jail anyway? I mean would a guy who was drunk and commited a crime go to rehab?

 

I think some would start if it were legalized, but considering they are responsible enough to abide by the law, they would probably be responsible marijuana users and not allow it to destroy their lives. Regarding the crime while high, killing someone under the influence of either alcohol or pot would result in a vehicular manslaughter charge where as it would just be an accident without the drugs.

 

Again Davey. Most of the time...responding to you isn't only pointless...it's just........well..pointless. Other times, it's rather entertaining to expand on your lunacy.
I respond to what I consider posts worth responding to (sometimes largely based on what I think of the poster and their intellectual honesty, and to use you as an example, who NOT to respond to). Often, when I deem that an individual isn't (and in your case), playing with a full deck, or doesn't respond to what I think are valid points, I return the gesture.
In your case specifically, it's a combination of both. You chop people's statements and combine parts of others to present your 'cut and paste' version. Besides that, I don't enjoy immature points of view (other than on occasion...my own).

 

The down sides of your perceived up sides or the down side of of the drug itself?

I'll offer a bit of both.

Go into an emergency room, rescue squad or fire company and ask what they think of legalizing pot. I think you'll find that the opinions of these medical emergency professionals rather quickly, and that giving people another 'legal' or an easier way to accomplish the horrific trauma they receive as a result of their altered, drug induced/influenced state is a real bad idea. That's one. Another would be the crowd of folks that often accompany the victims of drug related shootings, stabbings, or drug deals gone bad and the subsequent security of the staff and patients during many of these events. Ever been to an ER when they have to "lock it down"? It happens MUCH more often than you would think. Yet another would be the often "uninsured" victims of these types of incidences and their related expenses to treat them that we now all collectively share. (you know..the health care expense that the right would deny).
That's a couple of the down sides. Now please don't tell me that legalizing it would make all of that go away.

I would add the side issues that no one really knows conclusively the long term effects of pot on the individual human body or it's effects combined with any of the other hidden unnatural "corporate" additives that our environment provides, since we don't know what the majority of them even are, or even the known additives (like Barium added to our skies from the chemtrails that don't exist), the massive amounts of chemicals added to our "productivity enhanced cow's milk, our genetically modified food or the preservatives added to our processed s*** (I mean food), or the endless array of OTC or pusher approved drugs that are jammed down our throats by the pharmaceutical corporate profiteers fifty times an hour while eating our processed s*** and sit on our collective fat a***s slamming down our chemical cocktail of processed grease (because we are too lazy to get off of our fat as**s or are too "busy" to create an actual meal.

My biggest problem as to the down sides however, is the net effect on the enhancement of stupid behavior the legalization would encourage. I personally know several people that do NOT smoke pot because it is illegal, but admittedly WOULD if it were legal. These are SEEMINGLY responsible people with kids. How does mommy smoking pot do anything positive for their kids? It doesn't. Rather it teaches negative behavior and IMO, teaches kids to "run away" from reality or their problems. Bad idea any way you look at it. Mommy...I'm hungry. Ok Johnny. Go zap yourself an ammonium sulfate wheat gluten patty for 30 seconds. Grab ya' some phenylalanine aspartame to wash that down with. Then I'll take you to the doctor so they can prescribe something to calm down your overactive behavior, and something for your depression. Ok? Mommie's gonna finish this joint and take a nap. Wake me up if you need anything else.

You can argue that it's great or provides temporary relief for the idiot that chooses to indulge in such lunacy, but it does NOTHING whatsoever for society as a whole. The money you've saved prosecuting folks or in taxes would be negated by the irresponsible actions of those morally weak individuals that frequently engage in stupid, brain altering behavior, and their inability to accept reality.

 

Sorry, I should have made myself more clear (forgot who I was talking to)...I wasn't referring simply to the number of posts, I was talking about the shear number of words being spewed. You gotta admit you've got that covered, right?

 

Nice attempt to dodge the question. Wasn't it you who made the post chastising another member for not answering a question? In the immortal words of clembo "you failed".
Typical.

 

I don't get the point you are trying to make. How in the world would taxing consumption impede any attempts by law enforcement?
Take a drug dealer for example. He sells his wares on the street & makes a fortune. What's he going to do with the money he makes? Say it with me...he's going to spend it, right? Cars, jewelry, clothes, etc. Do you think he's going to declare it as income & pay taxes on it? So what is the best way to to collect tax revenue from this drug dealer? Apllies to any illegal activity, under the table pay or tax dodgers.
Same thing for tax cheats like Geithner, Rangel & Jefferson. You can't trust these people to follow the law so get 'em when they spend their ill-gotten gains.
Same thing goes for folks with slick accountants. The tax code is so convoluted & full of loopholes it's a wonder anybody has to pay. What is our tax code up to now? Something like 220,000 pages with 20,000 pages a year being added over the past few years? They can sidestep the existing code or the can pay as they go.

 

There are a myriad of drunk drivers who get off with alcohol treatment, suspended license, etc when they chose to drink and also chose to endanger everyone who happened to be on the same road with them.

 

You're a funny little fella David you know that?

I figure it takes words to express a point so I use them. Besides, the more words I use the longer it takes funny little fellas like you to pick out one teeny phrase and misconstrue the original meaning.

As for me having it covered. Get real. How about Midas, TomC, Lehigh and Katdung? (Sorry guys just making a point here).

 

Tom read your own words, Drug Deals gone bed!! why would there be drug deals gone bad if cannabis was legal? how many of the shootings have anything to do with cannabis and how many to do with Heroin/Crack/ etc? you talk of mommy smoking in front of her kid, how about mommy drunk as a skunk in front of her kid! same thing

Here are a few figures for you

Reported drug and alcohol use by high school seniors, 2007 Used within the last 12 months* 30 days

Alcohol 66.4 % 44.4 %
Marijuana 31.7 18.8
Other opiates 9.2 3.8
Stimulants 7.5 3.7
Sedatives 6.2 2.7
Tranquilizers 6.2 2.6
Cocaine 5.2 2.0
Hallucinogens 5.4 1.7
Inhalants 3.7 1.2
Steroids 1.4 1.0
Heroin 0.9 0.4

According to data from the 2006 National Household Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH) --

112 million Americans age 12 or older (45% of the population) reported illicit drug use at least once in their lifetime

A study focusing on findings from the 2002 through 2004 National Household Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH) reported that --

9.4 million (8.2%) of full-time workers were illicit drug users

In 2004, 17% of state prisoners and 18% of federal inmates said they committed their current offense to obtain money for drugs. These percentages represent a slight increase for federal prisoners (16% in 1997) and a slight decrease for state prisoners (19% in 1997).


Most violent crimes were under the influence of Alchohol and not drugs!

Perceived drug or alcohol use by offender

Alcohol 33 %, Drugs 10 %, Both 9 %, Neither 49 %

 

DeOrc...building construction/contracts are legal. Does that halt organized crime from infiltrating it? It's pot..aka wacky weed, and calling it cannabis doesn't add any dignity to it...I prefer to stay with the name pot, which I think comes closer the image of the inanimate object (or cookware...pun intended) that the users are trying to convert their brains into.

You help make my argument for me. The higher percentage is alcohol...the legal drug. Pot is still illegal. That percentage is lower. Perhaps if pot was made legal instead of alcohol, POT would be the most used drug and alcohol LOWER by virtue of the fact that it was, in fact, illegal? Then we'd be arguing that we need to legalize alcohol, based on the success of pot, right?

I submit that if they were BOTH legalized together, at the same time that we legalized alcohol, we'd have twice the idiotic activity we do today, and this forum would be debating the pros and cons of legalizing crack (or maybe some yet to be undiscovered extra curricular fun time activity like maybe....I don't know...smoking dandelions or maybe pigeon droppings?)

 

Ironically, the pot heads would most likely classify discussing politics and conspiracy theories on the internet with a bunch of other lunatics as "idiotic".

BTW, I am working on drink number five but for the life of me can't remember where I put my blunt.

 

Friendly reminder Lehigh...you don't want to discuss mine or any other "theories" that don't align with your own preconceived notions, remember? Please don't emulate Davey's behavior. You're better than that.

 

Yeah, don't ask tomc to explain, expound, support or back up his statements, it makes his head hurt (especially if there isn't a link from some whacko website or celebrity he can cite).

 

Oh lighten up, it was a joke!

 

Sorry man..I just can't take another Davey. (I could actually I guess but not without my medication).
I could cut and paste him to death and then skip to something else, but probably one Davey is enough for this forum.

 

I didnt realize you were talking about DUI. Yes many of those get minor sentences and rehab or therapy, etc.

 

This may be so, but I cant see that someone would start to smoke pot at ,I guess the same age one can legally drink. I dont know if teens wait until they are 21 to have thier first beer or 18 so they can begin to smoke. I think those things are tired in HS or even JHS. On the other hand there was a fellow I knew from work who started smoking cigarettes at age 40. Even smokers thought he was insane. Thats dumber than toking a spliff at any age. Pot and other drugs is a kids game. If youre still doing that stuff after 25 theres something wrong with you. But I'm not talking about using pot for glaucoma or MS, I mean just for kicks.

 

There are also some assaults that are treated in a similar way but DUI is the most obvious and most frequent example.

But, really, I agree with what I think you were saying - and I think I also stated it...if something is bad enough to be illegal (robbery, rape, murder, assault, etc), there is certainly already a law against it and being drunk or stoned while doing it doesn't need to add or subtract from that.

 

Pot...creating jobs.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/28/national/main6152605.shtml

"Three city council members have said they would attend the ribbon cutting Thursday evening for a business they hope will create much-needed jobs and generate tax revenue."

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2010/01/29/simon.ca.superstore.of.weed.cnn.html