Six Months : Largest Tax Increase In History

I would submit that handouts, entitlements, etc are much more oppressive to the less fortunate than tough love as they tend to excuse & perpetuate the condition and create an entire class of "servitude" that is passed from generation to generation. I heard it said once that if welfare & subsidized housing, for example, were the least bit effective in ending poverty, poverty would have been eradicated decades ago. Instead what you see is generation after generation standing in the same handout line because the bleeding hearts won't make the tough call & say enough is enough- time to make your own way in the world. I saw an article recently telling of a family -5 generations- living together under the same subsidized roof drawing their SSI, disability, WIC, AFDC etc and not a single wage earner in the group. I would require anyone receiving gov't money to take continuing education classes, participate in local volunteer efforts, be screened for drugs, take parenting & healthcare awareness courses and I might even look into smoking cessation, afterall how responsible is it to buy $5.00 packs of cigarettes with our money?

 

I don't "pile on the opposition's party" because A) The alternative is the republican party leading us with the brilliance and honesty of a George Bush. Much worse IMO. B) Also IMO, the level of corruption is far worse on the right. That probably has something to do with 911, George Bush and The Dick Cheney being at the helm while all this went on, and they appear to have gotten away with it. I will always associate those war criminals with the republican party. C) I voted for the left's representatives and I see no point in bashing them in order to put back what we just replaced at election time. Voting the left out of office and putting the right wing back in the white house only says to them "keep doing what you did before", and they would have done absolutely NOTHING to earn it back other than bash, block, obstruct, for the sake of obstruction. D) Lastly..I still have hope good things can get done with this President. God knows the alternative.

 

That's an awful lot of words just to say...I don't pile on because I am a loyal party follower.

 

You're welcome to your opinion. The right and its agenda scare the hell out of me. That's the simplest truth...if you wanna sum up that and my post as party loyalty, hey, knock yourself out.

 

So, tomc, what are your thoughts on BO allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire?

 

Didn't we already figure that out? Bush = Bad. Obama = Good. No thinking needed to answer your question.

 

Doubly Bubbly Post.

 

The original question led to a rant but not really an answer!

 

Allowing ANYTHING proposed by numbn*ts to expire is a grand idea. Allowing tax rates for the wealthy to go back to pre-Bush days is just awful though, isn't it? Don't know how the champagne guzzlers will get by. If only the end run laws and other criminal acts of his could be allowed to "expire", then we'd really have something.

 

Perhaps you should know what you are fighting against (and who pays the price) before idiotically shooting off your mouth. The folks in the 2 lowest tax bracketts will see their tax burden increased dramatically, their child credit is cut in half and the provision that gives benefits to married, joint filers will be eliminated. A married couple with a couple of kids, earning at the low end of the spectrum can conceivably see their tax burden increased 50% over what they paid the past several years.
Is this what you want? BO SWEARS no tax increases on families making less than $250k yet he is poised to hammer us with this? I seems like you don't care what happens to the lower income families as long as you can gloat that a BUSH initiative has gone away. Think about this before you respond- really.

 

You obviously suffer from Fox fever. Perhaps you could refer me to the line via the link below, straight off of the government website (sorry....I couldn't find a Fox link) that supports your latest distortion of the facts.
You know you shouldn't idiotically shoot off your mouth (some idiot once said).

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...rS-YuM&sig=AHIEtbQaZREzEqGKpDbjKTSpL0Ygh8Nk4w

 

As the GOP loves to say, the wealthy deserve a greater share of tax giveaways like the back-to-back 2001 and 2003 Bush era gifts that made the wealthiest 5% in this country even wealthier. However, when you try to reinstate the taxes to their previous levels, all the GOP can talk about is small businesses and average Americans being taxed. Lets face it, if the wealthiest 5% are the biggest recipients of the tax giveaways, it stands to reason that they are also likely to be the ones that have the most to lose if those tax giveaways are repealed. But that wouldn't be a good talking point for the GOP would it? The middle class in this country is completely tapped out. The only money left is concentrated at the very top of the income ladder. If they are unwilling to help this country in it's time of need, tax the hell out of them I say. They've had 10 years to save up for this eventuality and if they haven't, I really can't feel too sorry for them. Such is the price of forcing through massive tax cuts without a majority of congress. They expire! Deal with it.

 

Ok, how about this: don't let the BUSH tax cuts expire on those making less than $250k per year? Now what?
Of all the promises BO made to get elected, the promise in front of the world that taxes wouldn't be raised on families making under $250k was his most articulated, right? Any objections from the left on this one?

tomc, by the way, the link you provided was from BO's contract on the middle class, it had nothing to do with the fact that people in the lowest tax brackets are set to have their taxes dramatically increased, their child credits reduced by 50% or the joint filing benefits eliminated. In fact, is that old Biden-led thing still being floated around DC? I thought that was just a campaign related scam that was shelved once BO got elected?

 

Forgive me if I don't simply accept your word as a typical Fox viewer normally would, but maybe you could reference something a bit more credible than your view? I thought not.

 

Did you ever get a job from a poor man? I guess you actually do seeing the government is a few trillion in the red. These reinstated TAXES would be better spent in the private sector creating real jobs than in the hands of politicians SPENDING like drunken sailors.

 

Starting to hear rumblings that democrats are actually talking about extending the Bush tax cuts. Funny how elections work!

 

Yeah, how did that theory pan out during the 8 years of the Bush administration? Oh yeah, the least number of jobs ever created by any president. You know those who can't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.

 

"better spent in the private sector". You mean like for CEO bonuses, champagne, yachting, stock options, private getaways on private jets, butlers....those kinds of things? I think I'd rather have it spent by drunken politicians on more public things instead of excess and gluttony via corporate criminals.

 

How could you possibly oppose my suggestion that the BUSH tax cuts be extended for those at the lowest end of the earnings spectrum?

 

Dude,,I really think you ought to consider changing champagne suppliers. You're more discombobulated than Lehigh after a night of losing poker and a couple dozen adult beverages.