Harry Reid Gets Whallopped

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jth, Oct 16, 2010.

  1. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    What I would ask is how would you feel if it was your young daughter who was raped and became pregnant been forced to carry that reminder within her for 9 months, living every day with the physical precence of the rape?
    What exactly would you say to her? how would you comfort her? How many here have witnessed the pain that a fully grown woman can go through giving birth and think that that is ok for a victim to undergo 9 months after the original horrific event? now add to that the child might not even be fully developed yet here we have a Lady saying it is Gods will!! sorry but how many here support Suicide bombers after all they claim it is Gods will as well.
     
  2. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member

    Yeah, the whole 'Gods plan' thing that I quoted from Angle can apply to anything, can't it? 13 year old girl pregnant by a rapist...God's plan...no need to do anything about it. WTC destroyed....God's plan....no need to do anything about it. Obama's health care plan passed....God's plan....no need to do anything about it. And on and on.
     
  3. PTD
    Fiendish

    PTD Administrator Moderator

    ...and I guess we should stop all medical research too, as it's God's will that we get sick. Oh, yea, the Republicans are on that already too.
     
  4. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Clown Hater

    I would like to remind everyone that I am pro-choice and that the following statement is only to clarify what I believe is the opposing point of view on this issue.

    Angle, like most hardcore pro-life advocates, believes that life starts at conception. No matter how that life came to exist, ending that life is tantamount to murder. You can paint the most horrible scenario in the world for the rape victim but in the end, murder is more heinous. The 13 year old rape victim will most certainly be scarred for life, the baby will have no life.

    I don't agree with the pro-lifers but it is very easy for me to understand their position and why they would blame it on God's will. Anytime something happens that is so horrible and beyond comprehension by sane human beings, it becomes traditional to explain it by saying that it is part of God's divine plan which we were not meant to understand.

    I don't think it is at all productive to criticize any politician for their beliefs on this very devisive issue.
     
  5. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    First of all, thank you for a very well written & thought out post. I have heard people speak who were the children of a rape victim & it's very inspiring what they have accomplished so to make the blanket statement that they will have no life isn't exactly true. Now I've never been in that position & honestly don't know how I would respond if my daughter became pregnant but I would like to think, as family, we would raise & love the child regardless of who the father was.
    On a side note though, why do pro-abortionists always turn the argument to the extreme rape & incest cases which only make up less than 1% of the abortions performed in this country? Wht not address to abortion-as-birth control issue honestly?
     
  6. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Clown Hater

    I don't know why the pro-choice people always turn to the extreme rape & incest cases. The counterpoint their argument is very predictable and just as compelling. What if the life that is ended under the justification of rape would have been the person responsible for finding a cure for cancer?

    Like I said, it is a devisive issue and not one that is usually productive to use in a political debate. One's stance on the abortion issue is usually rooted in their personal religious beliefs which can't be changed.
     
  7. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    They go to the extreme cases because the the fact that abortion is the snuffing out of a human life isn't marketable for them. To me, this really shouldn't be a religious issue or politcal issue either, it's an issue of right or wrong.
    Some of the folks I have heard speak, who were the children of rape, include war heroes, doctors and many others who have made the world a better place. Their stories are inspiring...I urge you all to listen to them if you get a chance, it just might make a difference in what you view as right or wrong.
     
  8. PTD
    Fiendish

    PTD Administrator Moderator

    To be honest, I think that abortion is a no-win issue. On the one side you got the baby killers. On the other, you got the folks who want the government to control how we reproduce. Neither side is really moral, there's no good solution other than the fantasy of eliminating unwanted pregnancies.

    But, what I'd like to hear is how the Republicans reconcile their anti-abortion stance with their belief in small government. You can't have both. You either want the government to dictate how we reproduce, or you want to allow baby killing. I think the answer is that Republicans aren't as interested in small government as they say they are, I just want them to admit it.
     
  9. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    I don't see how you can connect the size of gov't with the abortion issue. Murder is a crime, that's how I see it. You keep referring to the abortion issue in term of the gov't dictating who can or can't have babies. That's not the issue at all, it's whether or not you have the privilege of snuffing out an innocent human life.
    While we're at it....you still haven't addressed the point you made earlier that claimed Angle advocated forced rape of 13 year olds. You need to either prove it or apologize to the forum for lying. Which is it?
     
  10. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    I used the extreem example David as that was the topic of this discussion and I am actualy pro life I have lived through having to abort a life to safe that of my partner. Was she wrong to allow herself to live at the possible expense of a life that might or might not have survived? personaly I dont think so.
    I will say this quite clearly though I woudnt ever dream of trying to force my will or opinion on the subject on to a woman regardless of there age, they are the ones who have to suffer not only the physical pain but also the emotional andd psycholocical stress of the descision
    Of course the other problem is that if you criminalize abortions they wont suddenly stop they will simply go underground and who knows how many innocents will die because of complications such as lack of proper medical care Etc
     
  11. arizonaJack

    arizonaJack Well-Known Member

    Have not read all the replys yet, but I believe no government, big or small, has the right to legalize murder. I am a life begins at conception guy, period. I am so anti abortion because I was a stoopid 16 year old kid and paid for one. It has haunted me ever since.
    I hope taking the easy way out does not send me to hell. There, some context to my opinion.
     
  12. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    Still no proof to back this one up, Peter?
     
  13. PTD
    Fiendish

    PTD Administrator Moderator

    I think it's a religious question, when the human life begins. I don't believe that a single cell is where life begins. I don't think there's any one moment you can point to and say, "there, now it's a human". It's not that easy of a question. Maybe the legal definition should be that it's a human at the point the fetus can survive on its own outside of the womb. I think there needs to be an objective standard here, not a religion based one.

    In fact, I do believe it would be a violation of the Constitution, for the government to pass a law which states that life begins when sperm meets egg. That's a religious belief, not a objective fact. I know that there are some Republicans, with their fancy schmantzy Graduate Fellowships that are High Falutin experts in all things Constitutional, but there sure is in the First Amendment, something there preventing the government from doing what you want them to do.

    I don't think it was by accident that the very First Amendment starts off with "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." And, as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, passing into law that life begins when sperm meets egg would be establishing a religious belief as the law of the land. Yea, I know, Republicans don't think much of the First Amendment, it's a bit too inconvenient for them. Oh, but that's another one of those little inconsistencies that drive me crazy about "conservatives"....
     
  14. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    Isn't Sharron Angle the one who wants 13 year old girls to be forcibly raped and have babies?.....Peter Davis, Owner




    Dont want to address this one, Peter?
     
  15. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member

    Personally, I think there comes a point in a pregnancy where the right to life of the unborn child probably surpasses in importance the right to privacy of the mother. A morning after pill at 8 hours, to me, is a different animal than an abortion at 8 months. Which is why I am ok with allowing abortions but am also ok with the bans on late term abortions.
     
  16. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member

    Well, technically, I think science would call that life. But, I think, whether that is a person, is open to debate. ;)
     
  17. arizonaJack

    arizonaJack Well-Known Member

    Conservatives and Republicans, as far as I can tell, believe strongly in the 1st amendment......all the amendments actually.

    Are you like Obama now, editing our founding documents at your whim? You forgot the " nor prevent the free practise therof " :)
     
  18. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    That's what libs call "an inconvenient truth"
     
  19. craig a

    craig a New Member

    Did anyone of these ''rape victim babies'' turn out bad? Or were the all tributes to humanity? Sounds like you heard from all of the 1%. Bravo. Dolt.
     
  20. craig a

    craig a New Member

    Stop being a buffoon
     

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