Republicans like to Complain about Jobs but....

Doubling plus some from 2007 to 2008 was no small task either.

 

Fairly simple realy David the Bank and Insurance bail outs began, and to be fair it is not right to jump on Vess for what he wrote most people dont understand the difference and quite often lump the 2 together. In reality how many actualy have heard of the National Debt! it hardly ever makes the front page of a newspaper or prime time tv but the Deficit now that does.

 

Ummmmm....I didn't jump on Vess.

 

Which started under _ _ _ _.

 

Let's not forget that when Obama took over, the two wars that had been kept off the books were actually added in. The Voodoo Republican economic model died and left the debt corpse. Lets blame the guy who came into the room and discovered the cadaver. All this talk of debt never happened during the Bush Administration. Now I'm not interested in hearing from those who created it.

 

LOL! Thanks for the run down, but I'm well aware of the difference between the annual deficit and the total national debt. I'm very clear on that. No offense, but I thought you were the one that was confused. They're still closely related so it doesn't hurt to mention them both so everyone is clear.

I stand by my NPR figures. The guy that gave them out would have done much more research then moen. Moen wants to compare apples to oranges and then pretend like he's brilliant. But, you were wrong again, as I proved in that thread, by your own link. Unless the 800 radio stations that carry NPR who ARE heavily funded by government grants don't get to count in the equation?? Get it moen? Cut the funding and the 35 people in this country that want to listen to it, wouldn't get to hear it anymore?? Light bulb going on yet? You better just let that one die, for your own sake.

 

B.S.!! If you had read last year's chart, they talk about how your statement in bold is a common myth thrown out by liberals. The war spending was all in there. The wars cost about a billion a month. It's not hard for 12 billion to get lost in a 400 billion dollar deficit.

 

You have no idea what you're talking about. Lets see some written proof of your 400 million dollar budget from the Federal government. I didn't think you could.

Forbes :An estimated $3.3 million of NPR's $166 million budget comes from federal grants, or less than 2 percent, rendering the political threat to strip its public funding a small issue. The Corporation for Public Broadcasting accounts for roughly 10 percent of the NPR affiliate stations' revenue on average - more for small, rural stations and less in the big cities, said Dana Rehm, NPR spokeswoman.

Sometimes people are so ignorant that they don't know how ignorant they are.

 

The U.S. military has largely paid for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan through emergency spending measures, in effect keeping wartime costs off the books. In addition to masking skyrocketing budget growth at the Department of Defense, this process has allowed the services to treat budget supplementals as a piggy bank for new procurement. Members of Congress may have grumbled about poor oversight, but they have largely acquiesced.

Read More http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/02/weighing-the-ir/#ixzz13Q99Dhem

Do you ever get tired of being wrong about everything? At least you're consistent.

 

Wired!!!? You trust wired for your source? ha-ha, ha-ha, ha-ha. Completely unreliable. Here you go...

"UPDATE: Many Obama defenders in the comments are claiming that the numbers above do not include spending on Iraq and Afghanistan during the Bush years. They most certainly do. While Bush did fund the wars through emergency supplementals (not the regular budget process), that spending did not simply vanish. It is included in the numbers above. Also, some Obama defenders are claiming the graphic above represents biased Heritage Foundation numbers. While we stand behind the numbers we put out 100%, the numbers, and the graphic itself, above are from the Washington Post. We originally left out the link to WaPo. It has now been added."

 

Yeah, your cut and paste from the Heritage Foundation is such an unbiased source. Lets hope you're bright enough to recognize sarcasm.

In case you haven't figured it out, and I'm sure that you haven't, the only reason that Obama's numbers are as high as they are is because he pulled in all the spending that had been kept off of the books during the Bush Administration. I'm not saying that Obama's numbers aren't higher, I'm saying they are honest numbers unlike those of George Bush and Obama's numbers include the money George Bush spent and kept off the books. Am I going too fast for you or should I dumb this down more?

 

I don't think you read my last post slow enough to continue posting yourself. Please try again. You're making up the story as you go along.

 

Even if the wars were kept off the books in the deficit numbers, it would only be about 70 to 100 billion a year difference...and that for both wars. With government spending ranging between 2.5 to 3.5 trillion a year over the last 10 years, it is but a pittance.

 

Ok Stu. I think you're closer to the actual figures. Here's a link. I admit I dont know the source or it's accuracy but it looks cool and is probably close. Still as you say, a pittance over 10 years:

http://costofwar.com/

 

Aha ha ha ha ha ha!!! You know that is a really good idea to remain as cryptic as possible since every time you throw something out there that can be checked you end up being wrong. You certainly learn from your mistakes. Now if you could only learn how to incorporate facts into your preconceptions you might actually learn something. I know that it isn’t very likely but at least True believers like yourself do have that entertainment value going for them.

 

Pot, meet kettle

 

You can see the cost of the out of budget requests (which is what would have been 'left off the books') here too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_cost_of_the_Iraq_War

The numbers still add up to the 700 billion to 1 trillion total range over the duration of the wars.

 

Wasn't trying to be cryptic at all. If anything you should be happy with that link. My original estimate was off. So the wars cost about 100 billion a year. Where was the money hiding off the books, as you say? You're bringing the charge so lets see you prove it? Better yet, what did the 3 to 400 billion dollar deficits go to if not the wars? Lets pretend you're right. What was 400 billion spent on? How was it divided up?