Rand Paul Didn't Stomp a Woman's Head, One of His People Did

Let’s see, we have Joe Miller in Alaska having his “security detail” militia members handcuff a reporter for asking questions and Rand Paul having his thugs step on a woman’s head for protesting. Is there a pattern emerging here? Seems like these Tea Party candidates are just a bunch of thugs and liars and occasionally witches.

 

Fact check for Dr moen, the king of misinformation: This women was approaching Rand Paul, wearing an obvious disguise...there was no way of knowing what her intentions were.

Any security team worth it's salt (regardless of who they are protecting) would be expected to do the very same thing. Try getting within 100 yards of BO, wearing a get up & see what happens.

 

I have no idea if that is his "official" team or not- or if he even has one- but they certainly performed up to the task.

 

Obviously she was very threatening laying there. Somebody had to stomp her in the head. She came right at 'em. Strong arm thugs, nothing more.

 

It seems obvious that the people who did this wanted to subdue the woman, thinking she was a nutcase who might be attacking Rand Paul. They had her in a helpless position. If they were interested in hurting her (stomping on her head), they could have easily done so.

It seems that you and Moen would be happier if Rand Paul joined the ranks of Nancy Kerrigan and Monica Seles. IMO, this woman got exactly what she deserved.

 

No, I agree with the stomping of heads when presented with a possible violent attack from an unstable individual (she did approach him wearing an obvious disguise), but you knew that's what I meant, didn't you?

 

If I was her, I'd be charging those thugs with assault. One guy is standing on her leg, one guy is laying on her back, and the third guy comes along and stomps her until a fourth guy tells him to stop. The whole time the woman was laying there motionless. Some threat.

 

And none of them are beating her. They are simply holding her down. Were you there? What did she do to end up in that situation? Did she initiate contact? Want the answers!

NO you were not there.
Something bad enough that three guys felt it necessary to pin her to the ground to stop her.
Most certainly, otherwise they would have been arrested.

But if you want to support some looney like this lady and make her out to be the victim, it will only serve to bolster the reputation that you have created for yourself on this forum. Be my guest!

 

I don't support anybody in this situation but I do know that she has already filed assault charges against the three guys who had no right whatsoever to assault her. You didn't see what started the altercation either but you've already condemned the woman as “looney”. I didn't see her make one aggressive move the whole video as she was manhandled by three much larger guys. She seemed very calm and reasonable in the interview as well.

Vigilantly thugs eager to suppress a different point of view is all I see. How special of you to defend them.

 

You can plainly see that she was wearing some type of odd-looking disguise. Wouldn't that be reason enough to be on alert? Why chance it? That's a pretty heated race there in Ky, even if it turns out that she didn't pose a real threat she should have known better than to approach him wearing such an odd get-up. She got what she deserved!

 

Filing assault charges will extend her 15 minutes of fame and that is about it. So she is not a looney? Are you really claiming that three men pinned her to the ground because they didn't agree with her political view point? Seems to me if somebody in that situation was going to assault someone, they would get their moneys worth and drop her with a right hook to the jaw. This woman was subdued (detained), not assaulted. And again, she deserved it and they had every right to protect Rand Paul and themselves.

 

WOW! You have a very strange definition of assault. I am glad to know that you have a plan if you decide to assault a woman half your size. What was that? A right hook to the jaw. I personally avoid assaulting women but that's just me so I have no need to "get my money's worth". Why in the world would you defend these guys?

Are you really claiming that they had the right to assault her? In which country that you have lived in is that legal? Here, let me provide you with the legal definition of assault. You seem to be balking at this incident as an assault so here you go.

An assault is carried out by a threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm. It is both a crime and a tort and, therefore, may result in either criminal or civil liability. Generally, the common law definition is the same in criminal and Tort Law. There is, however, an additional Criminal Law category of assault consisting of an attempted but unsuccessful Battery.

Generally, the essential elements of assault consist of an act intended to cause an apprehension of harmful or offensive contact that causes apprehension of such contact in the victim.

The act required for an assault must be overt. Although words alone are insufficient, they might create an assault when coupled with some action that indicates the ability to carry out the threat. A mere threat to harm is not an assault; however, a threat combined with a raised fist might be sufficient if it causes a reasonable apprehension of harm in the victim.

Intent is an essential element of assault. In tort law, it can be specific intent—if the assailant intends to cause the apprehension of harmful or offensive contact in the victim—or general intent—if he or she intends to do the act that causes such apprehension. In addition, the intent element is satisfied if it is substantially certain, to a reasonable person, that the act will cause the result. A defendant who holds a gun to a victim's head possesses the requisite intent, since it is substantially certain that this act will produce an apprehension in the victim. In all cases, intent to kill or harm is irrelevant.

In criminal law, the attempted battery type of assault requires a Specific Intent to commit battery. An intent to frighten will not suffice for this form of assault.

There can be no assault if the act does not produce a true apprehension of harm in the victim. There must be a reasonable fear of injury. The usual test applied is whether the act would induce such apprehension in the mind of a reasonable person. The status of the victim is taken into account. A threat made to a child might be sufficient to constitute an assault, while an identical threat made to an adult might not.

Virtually all jurisdictions agree that the victim must be aware of the danger. This element is not required, however, for the attempted battery type of assault. A defendant who throws a rock at a sleeping victim can only be guilty of the attempted battery assault, since the victim would not be aware of the possible harm.

 

Well, well, the plot thickens... I guess we know what happened before the video cameras went on..."Valle was roughed up as she tried to give Paul a fake "employee of the month" award". How violent of her!

LEXINGTON, Ky. — The volunteer with Rand Paul's Republican U.S. Senate campaign who stepped on the head of a liberal activist and pinned her face to the concrete said Tuesday the scuffle was not as bad as it looked on video and blamed police for not intervening.

"I'm sorry that it came to that, and I apologize if it appeared overly forceful, but I was concerned about Rand's safety," Tim Profitt told The Associated Press.

A judge will decide whether Profitt should face criminal charges.

Lauren Valle, the 23-year-old activist with the group MoveOn.org, said her face was swollen and her neck and shoulder were sore after she was wrestled to the ground by Paul supporters Monday night before a debate between the tea party favorite and Democrat Jack Conway.

Valle was roughed up as she tried to give Paul a fake "employee of the month" award. She told police she was assaulted while trying to take a picture with Paul.

The race is one of the most closely watched and hotly contested in the midterm elections.

"I think that this is an extreme example of the kinds of sentiments that people are feeling in many races across the country," Valle said. "I think that tension is incredibly high."

Paul's campaign dropped Profitt as campaign coordinator in Bourbon County in central Kentucky and banned him from future events.

Lexington Division of Police spokeswoman Sherelle Roberts said Tuesday that officers will deliver a summons to Profitt to appear in court. A judge will determine whether to proceed with an assault case.

Profitt said the fight never would have occurred if police officers had intervened earlier.

"A friend of mine went up to three policeman before Rand got there, and told them about the girl who was standing there with that wig on and that she was getting ready to do something," Profitt said. "The policemen looked at him and said that's not our job."

Paul campaign manager Jesse Benton said Profitt's actions were unacceptable and would not be tolerated.

"The Paul campaign has disassociated itself with the individual who took part in this incident, and once again urges all activists — on both sides — to remember that their political passions should never manifest themselves in physical altercations of any kind."

Paul's campaign called the altercation "incredibly unfortunate" and expressed relief that the woman was not injured.

Conway said he was shocked to see the video footage.

"We can disagree on issues, and I don't know what preceded the incident, but physical violence by a man against a woman must never be tolerated," Conway said in a statement. "It is my hope that steps have been taken to ensure this kind of thuggish behavior never happens again in this campaign."

 

Did you quit your job in academia and become a lawyer in the last 24 hours. We don't need your legal definition of assault that you did not properly reference in your post.

The person guilty of assault is the woman who initiated the contact by pushing others in the crowd. In addition, she was wearing a disguise which further raised the suspicions of the people she was pushing. Here is a quote that characterizes what happend.

Ms. Valle was described as having pushed her way forward when the two men grabbed her, yanked a blonde wig off her head and then shoved her to the ground. An unidentified man is heard yelling, “Get the police out here! Get the cops.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/26/protester-gets-stomped-by-rand-paul-supporters-before-debate/?hp

Now that sounds like they were protecting Rand Paul and trying to subdue what they perceived as dangerous threat. When is the last time the assailant of an assault asked for the police? Answer that one genius!

Of course you completely misunderstood my response. I am not advocating assaulting women and only an idiot would think that is what I meant. And off course we know you don't actually think that, you are just spinning as usual. What I was saying is that the actions of these men are not consistent with people interested in assaulting and hurting someone. There were no punches thrown or kicks delivered. The guy didn't stomp her head, he tried to pin her to the ground. He certainly is a dumbass for trying to play police officer with the leg on the neck tactic, but if they wanted to hurt her, the could have very easily.

My opinion on this matter is that every liberal weighing in on this is making a mountain out of a mole hill. They can't win the election in KY based on the issues, so they "gin up" a controversy over a very minor incident in an attempt to discredit the leading candidate who was not even involved in the incident. If you want to see evidence of a real assault, go watch the Rodney King video or the Reginald Denny footage from the LA riots.

 

Completely blown out of proportion. If he had used any force at all it would have shown and she probably would have been knocked out and bleeding. He was getting a point across and it wasn't that bad. You don't think people have been hauled out and beat up by B.O's thugs at his rallies!? Next talking point.

 

Regardless of what happened before, as soon as that guy did that with his foot, it was totally uncalled for and I hope he does get charged with assault. She was already restrained even if she was a threat prior. There was certainly no threat at that point and it looked to me like that was done totally in anger. He is real lucky her head wasn't closer to the curb, he might have ended up with an American History X type murder charge against him. And the other guys better be hoping there was some kind of self defense involved in taking her to the ground like that too. THey are probably going to need more than a 100 pound woman pushing her way forward.