Maybe This is What They Didn't Want us to See? (Wikileaks)

I think this is more what they didn't want anyone to see. Collateral Murder

Watch only if you have a strong stomach.

 

That's pretty disgusting but not really any more disgusting than what occurred on 911.

 

No, I don't. I only see the ridiculousness of a person who's happy with part of the truth. And knows that he has only part of the truth. You don't trust the government to verify the truth. OK, I can understand why. The government doesn't have a history of always revealing the truth, and of working from a bias (you see that bias as "working for the wealthy class," I see it as ""accumulating power to the state"). What I wonder is why you trust Julian Assange implicitly. He's ADMITTED he works from a bias. He WANTS to harm the United States. I'm not saying he's lying - all I'm saying is that he may be playing loose with facts that he has in his hands.

And Moen, you are correct that Wikileaks posts documents Bradley Manning, et. al. sent to them. That doesn't mean they're telling the truth. I've spent enough time in academia and the church to say without a shadow of a doubt that facts, when their presentation is controlled, can be made to say anything, including things 180 degrees apart from the truth. So the veracity of Wikileaks' sources is very much part of the issue. If Julian Assange ever goes to trial in the United States (or even the UK) for espionage, I can guarantee you his lawyers will try to say something along the lines of "what he did isn't that bad because he didn't release the whole truth, or didn't have it." If he goes to trial in Sweden for his supposed sexual crimes, he will definitely question his accuser's integrity, and memory and presentation of the events. Or is that a bad argument for those lawyers for them to make?

 

Problem is no one has charged him with espionage and I doubt that they will, he hasnt actualy spied on any one what he has done is blow a number of whistles (very loudly) and caused maximum embaresment to the US and to it's allies and as far as we are aware he is not in the pay of any goverment.

 

You spin the words well. He "WANTS to harm the US"? Says who? You might consider the HARM already done is by the perpetrators he is exposing. The HARM that may or may not come to whomever, ISN'T the result of his exposing the activity that has taken place, it is the activity and the higher ups that initiated the acts to begin with. He only shines a light on them, which IMO is a good thing, and I never said "I trust him implicitly". You did. Spin again. You are on target about one thing in your post at least, that is that "the government doesn't always have a history of revealing the truth". I'd modify that however, to say "rarely" do they tell the truth. I'm not for endangering our soldiers abroad but then, I'm not the one who puts them in that position of risk in the first place. Their commanders do, from their commanders. Hence, the distrust and dangerous situations that have been uncovered thus far. Robbers and murders don't like having their crimes uncovered. Tough. Finally somebody has the b*lls to try and expose the black ops and treasonous activities that occur. Good for him. We could learn a thing or two from his courage if we were a society demanding accountability rather than turning a blind eye to lies, evil, and corruption, but that's our society I guess. Stupid, ignorant and lazy.

 

This piece poses some interesting points on espionage and embarrassment directly from a whistle blower that WAS on the government's payroll. I'd say we need more like her and Mr. Wikileaks.

An Intelligence Defense of Julian Assange - 911truth.org

 

Well, at least tom's idol, Michael Moore, is working hard to get Assange out of jail.

 

He is out on bail