Hillary Clinton is Most Admired Woman of 2010

The comparison that I'm making, which I've stated several times is that Hillary and Hitler crave power. I never called you a democrat, did I?

I never said she had a Napoleonic complex. I used that example as a way to explain how someone can be referred to someone/something. Someone can be height challenged and have a Napoleonic complex without being a militaristic madman. Does that make sense to you?

I was using the transitive form of the verb "seize" which means to take advantage of an opportunity or circumstance. She certainly did that in New York. She saw an opportunity to gain power and she seized it.

She saw an easy opportunity to gain power in New York and she took it. Was she right or wrong in doing so? That's debatable. I see it as a grab for power, you may see it as just working the system.

I'm quite happy to see a woman be politically involved. But, if she were a man, I would say the same thing.

The only comparison I made was that she and Hitler are power hungry.

I never said she was.

Well, he'll have to show me his birth certificate! JUST KIDDING ON THAT ONE!

 

I know the the science behind polling. I know that there are many pollsters that rely on dicey statistical models in order to produce the results that they want. Gallup has been doing the science correctly for decades and is highly reliable. Don't make the mistake of throwing out all the polls just because there are some snake oil sellers out there. As for Bush, some people still admire Reagan and he was a disaster. We call these people Republicans.

 

I stand corrected, sir. Hitlery... er... Hillary would probably poll about the same. (here you not only compare them you intertwine the names! OK you might have thought it humerous but given the discussion!)

Power-mad people like Hillary Clinton and Adolf Hitler----To whom would you rather I compare Hillary to? Joseph Stalin? ( Here you openly admit you compare her to Hitler! why is she power mad, because she enterd politics? she ran for the senate or ran for the Presidency? which bit makes her power mad?)

I'm beginning to see that if someone compares to Adolf Hitler ANYONE the opposing viewpoint admires, then the speaker is attacked. (this sugests I admirer her and am of the opposing viewpoint to you Ie you are I believe a Republican?) I openly admit that I believe she would have made a better President than the incumbrant and I said it before and after the elections as I do not like President Obama.

I never said that Hillary believed in Nazism. The comparison was that both Hillary and Hitler wanted to achieve power in order to promote their twisted ideals. (I never actualy said that you thought she believed in Nazism, but Twisted Ideals Hitler advocated Genocide and the Supremacy of the Aryan race now that is twisted, what has she said that is comprable?)

I do apologise here as I miss read what you said, YOU DID NOT say she had a Napoleon complex

Now again I will ask you how she has acted any differently to any other politician? Do you perhaps believe that they do not want power? if that were to be the case how do you think they would ever be able to influence or change anything? Why become a politician?

 

Funny thing about Hillary, had it not been for the Clinton's being doubled-crossed by Ted Kennedy, ol' Hill would have been the nominee instead of BO. Funny how things work out.

 

So let's see....Hillary is qualified because she is a lawyer? Qualified because she led a failed healthcare initiative? Qualified because is married to a Pres? I hardly agree. Heck, she is the product of political deals & her Senate seat in NY was nothing more than a consolation prize for having been booted aside for the chance to be Prez by Ted Kennedy and his circle of cronies.

 

Indeed I've compared Hillary to Hitler. But, De Orc, you have to ask yourself, HOW has he compared Hillary to Hitler? Did he say that Hillary:

- Is an anti-semite? NO
- Has an army of thugs at her disposal? NO
- Is a mass murderer? NO
- Uses subjugation and fear as weapons? NO
- Is a megalomaniac? NO
- Does she advocate genocide? NO
- Does she believe in Aryan superiority? NO
- Is power hungry? YES

I think you could classify many politicians as "Hitler-like" in their unbridled quest for power. In my opinion, Hillary is one of them. She had absolutely no power as First Lady, but still tried to use her influence with the most powerful man in America in an attempt to push her vision of healthcare upon the populace. When that failed, she realized that she could gain power in New York. Note that she didn't even try to gain power in Arkansas where she could have actually used her power to help her fellow citizens in her home state. When she realized that she could grab the brass ring, she tried for the presidency. She gave it all she could, but it slipped from her grasp. Knowing that she needed to build up her power base, she accepted a very powerful cabinet position. I suspect she'll try for the presidency again. But, like I've said, what does she have to gain? She already has plenty of power, fame, fortune, influence, friends and admiration. She's only lacking the coveted presidency where she can press her liberal agenda. She certainly as an ego, I'll give you that.

 

I think that the very phrase "power hungry" is so subjective that it is utterly meaningless in this discussion. It can be applied to anyone who has ever run for office the way you are using it. If it is that broadly applicable, what use is it really?

 

Does the term "unbridled quest for power" suit you better?

 

Even more subjective, obscure, and meaningless. You're going the wrong direction.

 

Tell us what exactly she has done that is different from any other politician seeking office? also do you honestly believe that she was the only 1st Lady who has ever tried or has influenced the President? (If so then you realy are rather naive, sorry but thats how it is)

 

You must not have read my posts. Anyway, did I ever say she was the ONLY First Lady who ever tried to influence the president? NO! Please don't put words in my mouth. I think you have a habit of misunderstanding or misinterpreting what people have to say. Please apologize.

 

I'm pretty sure that I remember the Clinton's saying that they were a two-for-one deal from the very beginning. BTW Steve wasn't saying that YOU said Hillary was the first First Lady to influence a president. It was a rhetorical question making the point that many First Lady's have influenced their partners. Heck, look at Elenor Roosevelt, Nancy Reagan, and even as far back as Dolly Madison.

 

I didn't think Steve needed you to defend him. Nevertheless, his comment was, "do you honestly believe that she was the only 1st Lady who has ever tried or has influenced the President? (If so then you realy are rather naive". I WOULD be naive if I said or believed that. I never said it nor do I believe it.

Moen, do you HONESTLY think the world is flat? HONESTLY??? Really? Seriously? Wow! I'm surprised! Man, if you think so, you are certainly naive..... (this, of course is a jeering question/comment in response to the ridiculousness of your comment above.)

 

I wasn't defending Steve. I was explaining to you how I interpreted Steve's statement and how he meant it to be taken. It was asked rhetorically because the answer was so obvious. You are simply taking his statement the wrong way. Rhetorical questions encourage the listener to think about what the (often obvious) answer to the question must be. I'm not even sure what a "jeering question/comment" is.

 

Well, of course the answer was obvious because anyone would know that Hillary wasn't the only First Lady who tried to influence the president. But, the way he worded it, he made it seem like I had previously said exactly that. But, I'm not offended. Apology or no, anyone reading this thread can judge for themselves what was said.

 

No I dont need his defence but it still stands, you brought it up that she was influencial during her Husbands term, And I quote

"I'm saying that she is comparable to Hitler in the way she attempts to gain power. As First Lady she had no real power, but was fairly influential. Even as an unelected person,"

Now I asked if you thought she was the only one to ever do this and stated that if you DID believe it then you were Naive! what exactly do I need to apologise for?? Perhaps you need to apologise to me for accusing me of misrepresenting what you said (which I never did)

Now back to the subject tell us exactly how Hilary Clinton compares to Hitler and how she differs from practicaly every other politician in the entire world (never mind just in the US of A)

 

I'll answer your question. NO, I don't believe she was the only one to ever do this and I have no earthly idea why you would even think that. I never said it, I never thought it, I never expressed it and I never conveyed it. I have absolutely no idea why you would even ask that question. If I asked you, "Steve, do you honestly believe that the moon is made of cheese??? If you do, you're naive" I've inferred that you may actually believe the moon is made of cheese and that you must have made some statement indicating so.

I've stated multiple times that I believe she compares to Hitler in the way she has rabidly sought power. That's my opinion from my own observations. I don't know how much clearer I can make it to you.

 

You do realize that a statement like, "in the way she has rabidly sought power" really doesn't specifically say how she sought power just that she did seek power. I think what Steve and I for that matter are wondering is did she hire brown shirts to assault people? Did she persecute the Jews? Did she write a book like Mein Kampf detailing the art of propaganda (see chapter 6)? What specifically did she do to merit the Hitler comparison other than achieve a leadership role in her society? Please advise.

 

I respect Hilary for all the work she has done. She is a great lady but there is no way I would have stood beside my husband for the crap he has pulled. It takes a strong woman to do that.

 

Yeah, yeah she did all that, Moen. She's exactly like Hitler in every way.. physically, psychologically, pathologically... She has an army of brownshirts waiting to do her satanic bidding. She's rounding up Jews right now. She believes in Aryan superiority and the Master Race. And, yes, she wrote Mein Kampf, too. She traveled back in time with the help of the Illuminati and gave the book to Hitler who just put his name on it. She also is Queen of the Bermuda Triangle and keeps all the lost planes in a fortress in Neverland.