Weiner's Weenie Tweet Was a Plant

In a national campaign 16 month from now, economy with a little Obamacare stuck in will work fine. I am not sure just when the national gets into high gear (Dec./Jan?), but what is wrong with a little warmup in the mean time.

 

I have to bring this up as it has been pointed out in another thread that the front runner is Mitt Romney and since seening the vid that Jack posted a link to I have been doing a bit of reading on him

Well it's what some of you call Obamacare are you not simply going to get the same if he is elected? After all he introduced his version some time ago did he not

The Massachusetts health care insurance reform law
Resident of Massachusetts must obtain a state-government-regulated minimum level of healthcare insurance coverage
Free health care insurance for residents earning less than 150% of the federal poverty level
Employers with more than ten full-time equivalent employees must provide a "fair and reasonable contribution" to the premium of health insurance for employees
Tax penalties for failing to obtain an insurance plan

And apparently since 2008 these penalties increased by monthly increments

 

Thought it only right to bring it up Peter as after all I have read in these threads for months and months about Obamacare been socialist/marxist etc but from what I have found he simply used the same model that Mitt Romney introduced some years ago as a Republican idea have to say it seems somewhat unfair to blame President Obama for adopting a Republican idea

 

It is because there are not a lot of actual conservatives here. There are a lot of Republicans here, but all that requires is that the candidate have an R after their name on the ballot.

That is why they will defend Bush on issues that are not in any way conservative thinking while condemning Clinton or any Democrat for the same thing.

The same thing will happen after Romney gets the nomination and runs against Obama.

 

Just note that Romney's health care law was under 200 pages, BO's was over 2000....I am sure there are differnces in the law

 

Not realy Jack the main difference is the scale the basics are the same, feel free to check it out I am sure you will find some diffrences for sure but the basic idea is simply a rework of Romneys 2000 bill.
Mitt Romney took 200 pages to do it for 1 state President Obama has taken 2000+ to cover the entire US of A LOL

 

Actually, you don't know that yet. Most of the Obamacare regulations are yet to be written. The biggest part of how it is to be implemented are in the times it empowers different agencies to write regulations - 2000+ of them. Since those are, for the most part, yet to be written, we don't yet know just what is entailed.

 

Well you all seem to know the basics dont you? and the 2000 + page was jacks quote I simply used it
Would like to also say that dispite not realy knowing what President Obamas proposed health care reforms contain (as you say he has not published it yet) it has not stoped members of this forum from labeling it Marxist/Socialist/Unconstitutanal now has it? can you tell me then which parts fit into those categories mentioned?

 

Easy...the part (which is actually the foundation of the bill) that requires citizens to purchase insurance.
In fact I heard an interview with one of the people challenging Obamacare in the courts. He claimed their case would simply be: Show us where the Constitution allows the federal Gov't to mandate the purchase of healthcare. As a follow up he would ask: If the gov't can force it's citizens to purchase insurance, what can it require us to purchase next? Where does it stop?

 

Um David have a read of Romney's bill it requires citizens to purchase health care or be penalised by higher taxation, so basicly you are complaining about a Republican idea that is allready in practise and has been for some years now (little hint President Obama stole the idea from Mitt Romney)

 

Just what else have we been required to purchase? So far as I know, this is the only thing ever that if we breathe, we must buy. There are lots of thing you my buy IF you are going to...... To own a gun, for instance, you must get a license. But you don't have to buy a gun license if you don't own a gun.

 

Over here, the individual states have the authority to pass laws as they see fit. The federal gov't does not.

See the difference?

 

So? Obamacare is the subject here.

 

No it is not David check the thread title LOL President Obama based his proposals on the modle set in place by Romney in Mass and it works exactly the same way now if President Obamas scheme is unconstitutional then so is Mitt Romney's both force people to purchase insurance and both have penilties the only diffrence the Romney scheme is up and running.
Let me ask you this David would it be legal if the President droped it but each state in turn decided to adopt it? This is after all a very cross party ideal (as one has implimented it and another is pushing for it)

 

Not so