The solution to our problems...Tax the rich?

I feel it necessary to defend David on this. I've been on this forum for quite some time and I've never experienced David having an attitude where he "consistently blames those less fortunate for their own situation". The impression I get from David is that he would like people to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps (correct me if I'm wrong, David), work hard to make something of themselves and be productive members of society. There are certainly going to be people who exemplify this behavior and still won't be successful. However, I've never seen an attitude from David where he would look down on those people or refer to them as "lazy" or "leeches", etc. I don't think there's any reason for David to have to defend himself against these unfounded accusations. I think the onus is on those making the accusations to prove themselves - not the other way around.

 

Then how do you interpret post #98 in this same thread? And I quote....

"tom, the reason so many others are successful is because people like you are the competition."

I don't know any other way to take that statement other than someone sitting on high looking down their nose at someone else for being less successful. How are you going to defend that?

Is it just possible that you are too like-minded to objectively see what I see?

 

Or maybe it is just because you are anti-conservative to see what the man is trying to say.

 

Because Tom is a self described dead beat. Every view he has is anti-American. He refuses to engage in the capitalistic society and is by default, the loser. How could you not look down on him. BTW, IMO, you are only slightly better than Tom and I look down upon you and all the crap that you spew all over this forum everyday. You are a clown of the first order and you know it. Furthermore, you are too much of a coward to ever admit that you are wrong. Unless we are supposed to count tumbleweeds.

You want a lack of empathy, look no further, clown.

 

Tom's not the issue. David is. I'll wait to hear fro Okie. The LeClown opinion is noted and properly ignored.

 

Personally, I think Tom is way off base on his political viewpoints. Tom may be a success in his own life in whatever way he chooses to define "success"; I really don't know his personal situation and it's really none of my business. Now, if we define "success" as monetary gain, then I interpret David's statement as meaning that Tom may not be as successful as someone else in a competitive, capitalistic society as one who adheres to the tenets of such a system. Constantly demeaning capitalism, corporations, business and free enterprise isn't exactly conducive to success under a system that celebrates those ideas.

That isn't how I interpreted David's remark, therefore the point is moot leaving nothing to defend.

Sorry, I won't fall into your trap of being labeled a snob via a veiled insult.

 

I pretty much focused on the middle of his statement "people like you". That comes off as very arrogant and snobbish. What Tom is or isn't really isn't the issue. David and his attitude towards people with much less that he has is what we have been talking about. I don't care what Tom's situation is. I find David's remarks uncharacteristic of a compassionate caring person at least any I've ever met. The phrase "pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps" is just code for the Right blaming the victims. I perfer the saying, "walk a mile in someone else's shoes" before you judge them.

Saying that you and David are like-minded was not an insult or intented to be one. You just may be unable to be objective enough to be able to parse out his meaning.

 

"people like you" - you mean like you said;
"If you disregard the hypercritical Right wing, and I do"
"I keep forgetting about your Southern education. "
"I'm just offering a plausible excuse for your posts."
"So I should listen to the very people allowing themselves to be used as Right wing tools?"
etc. and so on

 

Hey guys, thanks for the support for the past couple of days while I was gone.
Now dr moen,phd, why would you try to twist my words like you did? When I refer to "people like tom" I am referring to precisely "people like tom" and you know who they are- the lazy deadbeats who pollute our society. These people don't belong to any certain socio-economic group they are the moaners, complainers & takers in our society. The ones who blame everyone else for their shortcomings...they aren't necessarily poor, underprivileged, black or white, young or old. But you knew that, didn't you.

I'll ask you again, please show me an example of when I have looked down my nose or shown any lack of empathy for the less fortunate. I'll sabve you some time, you won't find it. Now what?

What someone pointed out in an earlier post is spot on. I believe the most altruistic thing you can do for someone is to show them how to succeed. Handouts are counter productive & designed by liberals to create a dependent class. What we see happening is safety net programs becoming hammocks.

 

If you refuse to acknowledge post number 98, which is exactly what you asked anyone to point out, what would be the pont of finding another quote you'll just deny. Denial is just more powerful than I am.

 

Gee, how dense are you? Please focus long enough to re-read the 2nd sentence in my prior post.

 

Right now, there are four of us who believe you are the one with the denial syndrome.

 

I can't recall describing myself as a "dead beat", but, whatever eases the mental anguish dude. You're a self described alcoholic, and I don't hold that against you. There. Now we're even.
Fact is I'm quite happy with my accomplishments. I didn't have to slit the throat of another person. I don't have to stab anybody in the back for my own personal gain. I don't go to sleep feeling guilty that I sold out society for the "success" of my stock portfolio. I'm sure you don't either, but that's because you've trained yourself to be "numb" of any responsibility towards your cumulative, corporate behavior. I enjoy being a "person" (the REAL person...NOT the legally defined "person" that IS a corporation that enjoys all of the same benefits of a person, but none of the responsibility.) What many of you self absorbed, "successful" pigs do is far removed from humanity, and I'm proud, happy and guilt free to be able to call myself a "person".
I also enjoy highlighting what rat s*its life has to offer us all via the corporate, degenerate structure that MOST of the rest of you enjoy and aspire to be kings of.
Bring out the dancing girls and put the champagne on ice. Drink to "success". (I heard AT&T was up 3 points).

 

Uh yeah, when I say "tom and people like him", this is what I'm talking about. Tom and people like him believe one's success is only achieved at the expense of someone else's success. They blame everyone who has worked harder for their own failings.
Hopefully dr moen,phd (as dull-witted as he is) will understand now.

 

Uh yeah. Most of the corporate world at high levels, DID achieve their success at the expense of others. What do you think happens when a new CEO comes in and performs a "labor force reduction" to profit up the balance sheets? When they eliminate positions but reduce none of the workload? Now 1 person is doing 3 persons work. That's screwing not only the 2 he "reduced", but also the 1 left to do the 3 jobs. What do you think switching people from hourly to salary is? They can't pay you overtime but now that you're salary, time (the employee's) is no longer an issue. Now you work unlimited overtime for free!
I could go on but, when I say "Davey and people like him", this is what I am talking about. Disconnected, pompous ass*s, whose pampered lifestyle has them convinced that they and their ideals are the begin all and end all, and anyone who doesn't see and approve of his elitist view of society, and agree with their warped sense of reality, is a whining, complaining burden on society. He calls his fortunate circumstances, his own "hard work". Remember George Bush? It's hard work! (every 5 minutes while he took vacation a third of his time in office). That germ has no idea what hard work is, because he was born into La-la land, and now he believes his own delusions. I give you Davey, and people like him. I hope now anyone can understand what I mean.

 

tom, I appreciate the fact you think I am so successful but at the same time I do have to pity you for the poor decisions you've made & the way your life has turned out. Hey, but if it's consolation you can just sit back & moan & continue to blame everyone else. I'm sure things will get better!

 

If I asked you what color the sky was and you answered that the ocean covers 75% of the earth, technically you did give an answer just not to the question I asked. And that is exactly what you are trying to do here.

You asked for an example of you looking down your nose at someone and I found one without even having to leave this thread. You make it easy. You simply told me what you believed and refused to acknowledge that the very behavior you asked anyone to point out was pointed out to you. You and the post you called spot on were simply another indictment of Tom as a defense of your condescending statement.

I certainly never expected you to give a straight answer or admit to anything. That kind of honorable behavior is beyond your character. You are shallow and self-serving and cannot possibly be interested in any form of altruism. Simple humanity is beyond your scope. You demonstrate that every day.

Here is more of your arrogant snobbish behavior: ".....I do have to pity you for the poor decisions you've made & the way your life has turned out. Hey, but if it's consolation you can just sit back & moan & continue to blame everyone else. I'm sure things will get better!"
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I guess you are as dense as folks here seem to think you are. Maybe I'll go slower so you can keep up....please refer to your posts #108 & #113. In those posts you claimed I was unempathetic & looked down my nose on others based on "social lottery". I'll ask you again to give me a single instance where this has been true. tom isn't a poor soul who fell on bad times or someone in need of a helping hand. tom isn't that person who lost on the "social lottery", tom is a malcontent whiner by his own choosing and someone who isn't willing to put forth any effort by his own admission. But you knew that didn't you? You tried to twist my words and it didn't work, did it?
Now, dr moen,phd, are you suggesting that it's people like tom who society needs to provide for or were you just grasping at straws?

 

"On another subject, did you see Fox is number one....Among the oldest people! Yeah, mostly old white people like you find at tea parties are their base of viewership. Who'd a guessed?"
"There is just a lot to the stereotype of Republicans being angry old white guys."
"Not that all old white guys are angry but it seems like a safe bet if they are also Republicans."
"Like I always say, Republicans could reanimate Hitler, put an "R" behind his name, and just be fanatical enough to vote in droves for him in lockstep fashion."

Would you like some more? I still have plenty to list.

BTW, each of those is word for word exact copies of your statements.

 

Repeating a liberal's own words back to them is usually the best way to beat them in a debate.
See the difference here? Rlm quoted dr moen, phd verbatim (and made him look stupid). But dr moen,phd had to resort to twisting my words in attempt to portray me as something I'm not.