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Again, your type ignores the majority of poor people by saying they are all drug users or whatever. They are not. They are the elderly, who worked all their lives as best as they could and now live day to day on an income that is insufficient. They are the sick or injured, those who would work if they were capable (and some do despite their limitations, myself included). They are the jobless, those who had jobs and lost them for whatever reason, didn't have enough savings to get themselves through the rough patch in their lives, and wound up sleeping in their cars or shelters where finding a job became even MORE remote.

I don't blame you for not being able to understand the facts regarding poor people, it's not something you could understand unless you are a part of it in some way. Even helping in a soup-kitchen or giving presents to the poor kids at Christmas or whatever isn't going to give you much insight into the lfe of the typical poor person... you have to live it to really understand. I only wish that upon the greedy.

 

Interesting opinion. Got any support for it?

 

Are you really asking me to prove that when a poor person dies their deaths are not published as such in some publication?

 

Wow, thats a zinger since if anyone has seen a short on those two lately it is glaring that they were mentally challenged homosexual characters who were in an abusive relationship.

 

You stated it. You prove it. I cannot prove they did not. All that would prove is that they were well hidden.

 

I know of no record that states someone's lack of wealth at the time of their deaths, aside from some from a larger city that state the vagrant or homeless or intransient deaths.

I'm surprized you are arguing my assertion that there are poor people who are not drug users though. It's unreal.

I'm trying to understand why you want to link entitlements to drug users, why you want to ignore the plight of the poor who are not drug users. I understand the lives they live are not pleasant to think about, but to ignore the thought completely makes you ignorant. Why do you want to be ignorant? What point are you so desperate to make that you'd be so unabashedly unrealistic?

 

I say that there were no welfare recipients who died because of welfare reform and I am older so I win. Makes more sense than your assertion.

Than you change topics, Are you trying to tell me drug users do not get entitlements? To be the case in Florida, but that is it. As for those too lazy to work, I have no problem thinking about "the lives they live". I don't because they are not worthy of it. Ignorance? I personally think you are ignorant not realizing that you are killing those choosing to and succeeding to live off welfare. I will let you figure that one out - or you can remain ignorant. It is up to you.

 

LOL

 

Actually, it is anything but funny!

 

I can say this much about you, you hold on to your convictions with an iron fist... lol.

...that's not a good thing though. It encourages a state of denial...

...and denial leads to ignorance.

Why am I thinking that in a gravelly 'voice'... ...and why do I suddenly crave bugs?

 

Denial? I am the one who keeps asking for proof and you are the one not providing it. Kind a sounds like I am the open minded and you are in denial. You see, what I am in denial about is people stating opinions as facts and then saying everyone who does not believe them is ______ (you fill in the blank). I base my judgements on facts, not unsubstantiated opinions from a stranger.

 

Where did I say that or even imply it?

Again, I have never said or implied that a safety net isn't needed but I think you are blind to what the perpetual handouts have created.

Perhaps a little "tough love" along the way or some expectation of self-reliance could have helped some people? It gets real easy to become complacent when you know things will be taken care of for you. I saw a statistic the other day that claimed people drawing unemployment typically begin their job search in earnest approx 3 weeks before their benefits are set to expire. Hmmmm.

 

Who wants to see Social Security eliminated? I think you'll be hard-pressed to cite an example backing up this claim.

 

You are about as open-minded as Hitler was for the creation of a jewish soccer team in Germany. You criticize my opinions as unsubstaniated facts while simultaneously staing your own opinions and representing them as facts. The word for that is hypocrite, and you are definitely one of the bigger ones on this site.

Now, you say I am in denial that Entitlements, Welfare in particular, lead to laziness... that those on these programs are abusing the system and could be become productive members of society if those programs would just stop coddling them and force them to get jobs. I countered with the FACTS that there are old men and women who can't work anymore and rely on those programs to survive. I mentioned the sick and injured who work but can't support themselves completely on their own and rely on those programs to survive. I mentioned the disabled, most of which can't work because of their disablility. You come back at me with more drivel.

You? Open-minded? I haven't seen a shred of evidence that you even have the ability. You are an extremist. You refuse to consider any other opinion that differs from your own beliefs. You say I am like that, yet I considered your opinion... and concluded your opinion ignores information that is relevant to the discussion. I didn't ignore your points, but you did ignore mine.

I'm not saying all of your opinion is incorrect, there ARE some who abuse the system. But if your intention is to get those who abuse the system off it and into the work force, destroying the entire system is not the way to go about it. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO NEED THAT MONEY TO SURVIVE who are NOT abusing the system. Get that through you ****ing extremist's head.

 

I can see why you'd think that, but I'm not blind. Some people are abusing the system. But if your goal is to stop the abuses, don't punish those who have an actual need for the assistance.

You have no insight into the issue except for the abusers of the system. An 85 year old woman doesn't need you "tough love", a disabled person doesn't either.

For the record: I have never applied for unemployment. All of the jobs I've worked have sucessfully denied any chance that I would be able to receive it. My current boss limits my hours in order to avoid having to pay a higher percentage for unemployment. Unemployment is used a lot by seasonal workers, like those in construction or schools, not the typical minimum-wage earner who works year-round.

 

My comments are in regard to poor people though, the ones on Social Security and Medicare who need those payments to survive.

As for unemployment benefits, I can agree there is way too much abuse. The people I know that receive it are not interested in finding more work. I'd revamp the entire process to keep those making anything over the poverty-line, or maybe 1-1/2 times the poverty-line, off the payments. If you're making over $20,000 a year working 6 to 9 months... you don't need unemployment.

 

Nice dissertation but I'll ask you again.....when did I ever say this? You made this assertion, now can you back it up?

 

Your statement was;

Please explain to me what I can offer you for proof that when a poor person does not die their deaths are not published as such in some publication? As I stated in post #165, the fact that they "have are not published as such in some publication" (you words) completely supports my position until you show that they have died as a result of welfare reform.

I said "there probably are many out there who are "disabled, or otherwise unfit for work",.......", please tell me why that does not include "sick and injured who work but can't support themselves completely on their own and rely" (you exact words). How is that ignoring your points? What I am saying is that there are a whole bunch out there (more than you apparently think) "WHO NEED THAT MONEY TO SURVIVE", but all of a sudden manage to find a job when the free money ends. And, again, I offer as proof the Welfare Reform Act.

BTW, I would suggest you tone down your rant. Hitler and the Jews have nothing to do with this discussion nor does my "****ing extremist's head"

 

It seems IQ-less is beginning to lose it what with his unfounded accusations & Hitler comparisons.