Whither goest the GOP nomination?

The Dems will have Obama. No change, status quo. The Republican leadership makes me sick to my stomach as well. I may vote for Bachman, Paul or Cain. Mind you I am not jumping up and down for any of them. If Romey or Perry are representing the Republican party then I will write in Truman or Reagan in the General Election for I should vote as a American but I do not feel that any of the establishment politicans are for America. I do not think that my general viewpoint is in the minority. I grew up Democrat, I switched to Republican and now I am willing to go to the streets like in Greece for we do have a theft of wealth going on besides other things. Mind you I am still doing well, but I love what this county is and I want it to exist for my children and for the sake of the world. This freedom of religion or no religon free thought everyone is becoming equal democracy can disappear.

 

It's tempting to become discouraged! I'm curious as to why you see both Perry and Romney as wrong for the GOP. Are they not quite dissimilar in ideology? I don't actually understand how and why Bachman suddenly fell out of favor with the right-leaning blogs as soon as Perry entered the race. To me,they don't seem likely to share a common support base.

Clearly both major parties are beholden to corporate interests, and I'm sure they ask, why not? It takes millions upon millions to even have a chance of being elected to office. That to me is a fundamental corruption of the electoral process that signals what's ahead: money needed for every single facet of governance. And the "theft of wealth" of which you speak is what underpins the governance that perpetuates itself. The snake eating its own tail,so to speak.
I will vote for Obama because I think he is our best hope to correct at least some of the excesses of the '90s and 2000s. He may be a bit more deferential this time around to his base, which would like some transparency in the financial sector.

 

Texas Gov. Rick Perry's mandating the use of the human papillomavirus vaccine in 12-year old girls, demonstrates to me that he is not a Republican for that is big government at its most Soviet. Just one point.
Romney defended the Wallstreet Bailouts when I am wondering why did people who lost hundreds of billions and actually defauded investors so they could get mindblowing bonuses didn't go to jail but instead gave themselves more money.

I hate Obama, and if you read my posts on varying issues you will see why but I do not hate Obama supporters and at the very least it was great that this nation has grown as a democracy to have a black president in my lifetime. Just the wrong guy. Would like to see a women and would vote for either Bachman or Clinton over any of the current front runners. For I do think Clinton is a statesperson even if I am not a fan.

 

This is a point that never seems to get made in all the horserace articles on blogs and in the news. Maybe because it's tricky to gauge voter sentiment for opposing proposals that have not yet been made? We saw how quickly Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan was shredded (rightly so, IMHO) once he became a GOP front runner. I've heard almost no discussion for or against Romney's 59-point plan. People need, I think, a reason to vote FOR someone. The GOP is wrong IMHO to pin their electoral hopes on simply voting against Obama. According to polls, voters dislike Congress much more than they disapprove of Obama.

 

I have to disagree with several of your assessments, although I do agree with you that partisanship on both sides in moving to the extremes of the political scales. That's not where any politician can afford to be if he is counting on grabbing the middle 20 percent, the independents. In the north of Ireland, that situation actually worked out ok, IMHO. The voters, once Britain stepped away, threw out the middle-of-the-road parties and voted in the two most ideologically opposed parties, Sinn Fein and the DUP, to literally share leadership. And guess what? They did! Successfully! So anything can happen,and usually does.

Having said that, I fail to see how Rick Perry can stand a chance against Obama. Romney, yes, but Perry? He's not strong enough on the economy (or anything else,from what I have seen) to get past his stumbling mangling of the language. I honestly don't know what he's saying half the time.

I too like a lot of what Ron Paul says, but I disagree violently with him on other important points. I agree with you that the GOP will never let him win the nomination. He's poison to them.

This will be a very long election season, I think.

 

Not understanding what a politician is saying can be quite a benefit to them. Almost as good as being able to sound pleasant while saying nothing. But 'not stand a chance'? I think that would probably be wishful thinking. Never underestimate the American propensity for repeating our mistakes.

But I agree it is going to be a long seasons and it is too early to tell on a lot of things related to 2012. The polls will look different after the Republicans have gelled behind their nominee and stop the in-fighting. Things will also look a lot different after the economy has been in the crapper for another year. And the debt commission is looming...

 

Ah yes, the debt commission. It's like the whole massive life-or-death struggle (as characterized, not necessarily reality!) overspending has suddenly gone silent, and now tax reform is the new golden-haired child. What a pity that people in a position to know cannot even decide to agree on what the actual real problems are. If one cannot define a problem, how on earth can he define a solution?

 

It has been amazingly silent for what is supposed to be such a monumental thing. Very little reporting that I have seen in the mainstream. Probably not a good sign.

 

True, but looking on the bright side -- it could be that they are just working so hard that they don't have time to leak the details! Hahahaha, no just kidding. I guess that means there will be another do-or-die crisis again around Christmas, lots of bloviating to add further pressure to the likely dismal holiday economic numbers, and any number of Grinches grabbing the mikes daily to remind us that the world as we know it is ending because ... (fill in the blank)

 

Gracious. Somebody thinks the economy crashed? Really? You missed the bit where the stimulus put the brakes on the bottom falling out - oh! Of COURSE you did!

I know a way to skip the bit where I try to figure out whether it's worth my time to continue posting here.

Name three good things the President has accomplished. If you can, great. I'll know your mind isn't perma-welded shut. If you can't, then you're a hack, and I'll know that everything is filtered through your hack filter, never to see the light of day.

 

Who are you replying to?

And do you really think 2012 voters are going to worry about hypotheticals when their situation after another year is no better than it is now or a year ago?

 

Romney'll probably win the nomination, and a lot of Republicans will vote for him, despite their disagreements on his platform, since it's either him or Obama.

Who will win the Presidency though is less certain, wait a year and see what develops lol

 

I do not think that Romney will get the republican turn out that is needed. I do not think that he will get the independent vote. It may be an election with a low turnout for people feel that any choice is not really a choice at all.

 

I felt like that in 2000 and 2004 lol

 

See, this is what I don't understand, although I agree a Romney nom will likely depress turnout. Last cycle, I recall he was the "true conservative," and even the Heritage Foundation folks (who helped write Mass's healthcare legislation) embraced him. Now you'd think the guy was born under a rock and studied at the knee of Marx, the way right-wing blogs carry on about him!
In the same vein, I fail to see any reason for the Perry adoration. As a non-GOP person, this whole kerfluffle over Romney and Perry seems too much like a North-South battle.
And for the trifecta, I don't see why Dems aren't wholly supportive of Obama, or at least way, way more animated than they seem to be. The guy walked into the worst economy since the Depression -- maybe even worse than the Depression, because at least then people could grow their own food without Monsanto having them arrested -- and stopped the bleeding. He has had to deal with a deranged Congress that is dangerously immature. Give the Prez a break, ok?

 

I am not an Obama fan. From the day he took the oath Obama has had to deal with a Republican party that has had one goal and one goal only: to sink his presidency by any means possible and regardless of the cost to the county. And they have not been shy about saying so. That this fact may only now be dawning on him doesn't speak very highly of his political savvy or his will to fight imo. The only thing I can think of to explain it is that somehow he got the idea that he would be dealing with more or less rational housebroken fellow corporatists of the old school instead of bs crazy ideologues many driven by almost religious fervor against both him personally and a vaguely defined but hated concept of GOVERNMENT and all totally owned by the corporate monster they used to control.

 

I believe, deep down, the dims all realize they need to offer up a different candidate if they want to remain in control of Washington...BO is too easy of a target based on his failed policies & ever worsening economy...but none of them is willing to be the first one to step out. They need someone like a Hillary who really doesn't have anything to lose (plus she has motivation since the BO/Kennedy/Soros double-cross cost her the nomination in '08). Once someone musters the nerve to take on BO you'll see a tidal wave of support.

 

I can't help but believe that this is wishful thinking on the part of a party that cannot find a credible challenger they can unite behind. No one I know has even intimated the prefer someone else. Why would they? The left may be unhappy that Obama did not strongly support some of their pets, such as single payer and card check, but no one thinks Hillary (she was my choice in 2008) would have fared much better. It takes more than nerve to try to oust a sitting president of your own party -- you have to have a good reason! What's the reason?

 

What's the reason? Really?
Higher unemployment? Higher foreclosure rate? Higher fuel prices? Lower credit rating? Turmoil & violence in the street? Class warfare? A more fractured citizenry? Logjammed gov't? Insurmountable debt......and the kicker? No end in sight, no solutions or hope coming from the White House. Is that enough?
**and remember, BO campaigned on the promise that he knew what the problems were & that he knew how to fix them- strikes one, two & three! He did have the foresight to predict a 1 term presidency if he wasn't able to turn things around in three years though.

 

Not everyone blames Obama for everything. Some of us realize he's a victim of circumstances beyond his control. That he chose to attempt to fix some of America's problems is what makes him a leader. That he is encountering difficulty isn't a surprize to him or to me.