Super Committee as (non) Super as expected.

Complete failure. Pretty much as expected. Now they are already talking about watering down the mandatory cuts that were put in place to make sure the Super Committee would come up with something better.

But I will absolutely give credit to Pres Obama on what he said about that ploy:

Obama made clear that he opposed any attempt to soften the automatic spending cuts -- known as a sequester mechanism -- pledging to veto any such attempt by Congress.

A hearty agreement to that. Make them come up with something better. They obviously refuse to hold their own feet to the fire.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/21/politics/super-committee/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

 

I'm trying to be as central as I can on the issue... even watching FOX for longer periods of time. I have to say, FOX has gotten much better than they were even a year ago... much less lies. I did catch two though: The first was after Obama's speech... I forget which person said it, but they said Obama blamed the Republicans in the speech. I had watched the speech and didn't think Obama blamed the Republicans alone. The second lie was that Obama has stayed away from the issue altogether... he hasn't. He proposed a 3 Trillion dollar reduction recently. But they want to make Obama sound weak so it's not unexpected they'd lie about either of those things.

As I see it, Obama and the Democratic leadership have used this to hurt the Republican leadership. By being the ones to say they will not attempt to soften the cuts, and will veto any attempt, they are trying to say to the general public that they are responsible. This is why I hate politics, I hate the bs. I can't stand these two parties 'positioning' themselves while the country is teetering as it is. If we need cuts across the board, so be it... I hope their pay is included in those cuts.

 

But you know the Republicans are going to hammer him about the defense cuts in the plan.

 

Did Fox really say BO blamed the "Republicans alone"? Somehow, I rather doubt that. BTW, Fox was far from the only one to hear BO's speech as blaming the republicans;
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-blames-gop-threatens-veto-184448279.html
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/17876/obama-blames-republicans-for-debt-panel-failure

 

Congress has never worked very well and the current poll numbers for them hovering around 9% positive demonstrates that they are working even less well than usual. The only way congress ever works is through compromise. If you don't compromise you are merely a badly behaving child stomping your feet, holding your breath, and crossing your arms and demanding your own way. We all know what happens if you give into a spoiled child’s demands. Now ask yourself, in which political party is compromise a dirty word? Without pointing fingers either Right or Left, where has the rhetoric against political compromise primarily originated?

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Why don't you tell us? Obviously you already have made up your mind and want other people to say, "oh Moen, you're so smart--you've hit the nail on the head and it's all the Republicans' fault." The fact is that neither side has been good about communicating with the other. It's the extreme partisan politics that is killing this country, not "Congress" or "the Senate" or "the Judiciary" or whatever group people want to point their finger at. This president swore that he would be the most unifying president ever: that it was "the end of politics as we know it." However, he has been the most divisive president that I can ever remember, playing partisan politics since he walked in the White House door. I seriously wish that there was a way to impeach him--in my opinion, he's been a liability to this country since before he was sworn in.

 

The only objection I have to Obama is that he isn't liberal enough. Every single president that has ever taken office has said that they want to be bi-partisan. This doesn't make Obama any better or any worse than any of them. Republicans have been obstructionists, unwilling to compromise on anything, single-mindedly set on making this president fail-country be damned in the process, and have completely and totally looked out for only the very wealthy. From my perspective, Obama has been way too willing to work with people that have no interest in working with him, moving this country forward, helping lower class people, or even serving their oath of office but they'll sign a pledge to Grover Norquist.
I know that the South might as well be one giant red state with NASCAR as their favorite pastime. I get that a black man is about as popular as a fly in your grits down there but deafening yourself to the words of the likes of McConnell, DeMint, Cantor, and many other Right-wing Republicans that have opening stated that they want him to fail doesn’t really make you seem all that objective.

 

I understand that "Every single president that has ever taken office has said that they want to be bi-partisan". Few have succeeded, but none have approached the division that Obama has wrought - not even close.

And then you have to bring up the race issue again. Haven't you yet figured out that the only person that besmirches is yourself?

 

I have no idea what you base that opinion on, or what data you might be privy to that you don't feel a need to share with the rest of us, but I could say that about pretty much anything you post.

 

Now lets just see;

That really sounds like they are working well together, now doesn't it. Every news station I listen to is commenting on how polarized the country is, but some how you believe that Obama has been working well with the Republicans. I guess that is why we have not had a budget in 3 years, why the super committee died, why Obama's disapproval is soaring, etc. and so forth.

BTW, smart move to drop the racial bit.

 

I can't believe you'd pull the race card. But, you did. Well, actually it doesn't surprise me that you would.
The politics of the South

Hunting for votes

November 12, 2011
Last month Barack Obama, following his approval ratings, headed south. He took a three-day bus tour through Virginia and North Carolina, both of which he had won in 2008, reversing a decades-long erosion of Democratic support in the South. He met soldiers, students and teachers. Virginia’s Democratic politicians, however, stayed away. Tim Kaine, a former governor now running for the Senate, pleaded a full schedule elsewhere. Others were less kind. Phillip Puckett, a Democratic state senator, declared, “I don’t plan to support President Obama for re-election.”

http://www.economist.com/node/21538163

So, Obama won Virginia and North Carolina (both Southern states) in 2008, but he's losing support now. Let's see, his ethnic heritage hasn't changed since then. So, it can't be because, as you say, "a black man is about as popular as a fly in grits" in the South. The election of 2008 proved that statement false. Hmmmm.. what could have happened? What could it be? Perhaps his policies??? YES, that's it, his policies!!!!! Not because he's "a black man" (your words, not mine) or any other racially-tinged descriptor you may call him.

 

What Congress and the Administration do or don't do is becoming more and more irrelevant. It's a bunch of corporate whores raging and posturing and and sucking up the bucks from their Wall Street masters. What will eventually decide the fate of our empire, or its component nations, is what is decided at local and regional ballot boxes, on our campuses and in our streets.

 

The race card? You can't believe that I played the race card? Maybe I was thinking of this....



Michelle Obama is 'uppity,' according to Rush Limbaugh
Rush Limbaugh has been very open about his dislike for the Obama family, especially First Lady Michelle Obama's crusade against childhood obesity.

On Monday (Nov. 21), Limbaugh called Obama -- whom he repeatedly referred to as "Moo-chelle" -- "uppity" while discussing Sunday's NASCAR race at which Obama and Jill Biden were booed.

"Media can't believe it, but I can. People don't like being told they are lousy parents, and Mrs. Obama has done that," Limbaugh says. "People resent Mrs. Obama's bizarre need to tell us what to eat and how much to exercise."

He continues criticizing President Obama's policy, then says, "I'll tell you something else -- we don't like paying millions of dollars for Mrs. Obama's vacations. The NASCAR crowd doesn't quite understand why, when the husband and the wife are going the same place, the first lady has to take her own Boeing 757 with family and kids and hangers-on four hours earlier than her husband, who will be on his 747. NASCAR people understand that's a little bit of a waste. They understand it is a little bit of uppity-ism. First ladies have not been known to hop their own 757s four hours ahead of their husband when they're going the same place."

As the Los Angeles Times notes, "uppity," which means self-important or arrogant, was historically used to describe "blacks whom white people perceived as trying to rise above their station in life."

Everyone's favorite new celebrity Twitter user, Ellen Barkin, took special offense to Limbaugh's use of the term, saying, "The appalling disrespect our President & 1st family r consistently subjected 2 is unprecedented.. what else about them is unprecedented?"

She continues, saying, "Our 1ST Family is black.They hate it & if it helps 2 put a racial slur in our heads by not quite sayin it,they will not miss an opportunity."

 

Limbaugh knows his audience, which is why he has so much money. His listeners get down on all fours lap that crap up off the floor and then beg for more. I doubt that he himself believes it or more likely he probably doesn't care one way or the other, but he knows what sells and he delivers it. This makes him even worse as far as I'm concerned.

 

So Ellen Barkin agrees with you. The fact that that convicted liar agrees with anyone ought to be an insult. And what else would you consider miss "for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country" as she takes her own 757 on vacation to spain?

 

We only have upgrades but Spain is not the greatest at this time of year anyway. When did she go?

 

Anyone who takes what Rush Limbaugh says as gospel needs to step onto the correct side of the Reality Line. There are many good and intelligent people who watch NASCAR, which can actually be a very complex and interesting sport if you give it half a chance. That Tony Stewart was too busy thanking his crew chief at the end of the race, while he was holding his crew chief's little boy to be right on time for the award presentation says it all in my opinion. NASCAR is a good and family-oriented group of people, in general, but as with any other sport there are going to be people who give it a bad name.

Here is a clip of the incident as it occurred. Notice that there were cheers for the most part and that the booing lasted for a grand total of about five seconds (if that) before being drowned out by the more gracious majority of the crowd:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHbgHWIR5kc

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/04/michelle-obama-spain-sash_n_670047.html#122531

 

But it goes against his grain. Therefore it is bad.

 

But I'm playing the race card. Makes you wonder why when you point out their racism they act like it couldn't be further from the truth but you must be playing the race card because you pointed out their racism.