Student Loan Debates...Even More Hypocrisy From The Left

Sooooo....that care is provided under Obamacare?

 

You don't have to feel sorry for those wealthy colleges & universities:
http://money.msn.com/college-savings/10-richest-colleges-in-america

 

Wow! That's a LOT of extremely wealthy colleges! Why don't they invest that money in the students or at least lower the tuition? I suppose we'll never know....

 

Pure greed! They know as long the lefties push, push, push to have tuition subsidized they are free to jack up their prices.
Oil & big business are made to be villians yet the colleges & universities are sitting on mountains of cash...no wonder they are able to give out $60k per year raises to people who aren't even fit to be in the classroom.

 

It is if the funding isn't drained away thanks to the Republicans "imaginary" war on women's health.

 

Try not to believe everything you read. It isn't all true. It's well-known that anyone can put anything they want to on the internet. Try reading something that has some credibility behind it not just the things you want to agree with.

http://education-portal.com/article...in_the_Recession_What_That_Means_for_You.html

 

But, "credible sources" are harder to sssssspppppinnnnnn!

 

MSN isn't credible but this other source with it's "insider" tilt & vague examples..."some colleges", etc... is?

 

No offense meant David, but you could have quoted directly from God itself and I wouldn't automatically believe you were telling the truth. The point I was making is that you prefer to spin a story to make republicans look better and democrats worse, rather than state something truthfully and let it be judged on it's own merits. It's a case of you "crying wolf" too often, you yourself don't have much credibility, not necessarily the story or it's origin.

 

Well, let's see...I wouldn't expect you to believe what I say (since it doesn't fit the simple-minded, far left narrative you are told to believe) therefore I posted a link to what I believe we could agree tends to be a left leaning reporting agency. So where does "spin" come into play in this case? (is this where you start to back up & claim you were referring to previous posts?)

 

Is this where you do that? One thing I've learned while being a member here is that it's true to say that whatever the right is complaining the left is doing, the right has done the same thing, even as they are complaining, and usually more so.

So what's your strategy here? To say schools have a lot of money? True, they do. Is more and more debt being put on students? Yep. But here's where you draw the line. You're not interested in why those students are more in debt, your only interest is to insinuate that the left's policies are the cause, when the truth is that it's the right's policies that have caused the harm to higher education.

So what are you going to do now? Are you going to rant that I'm back-tracking or some other bs... all to avoid admitting that it's the righties who are to blame for the debt students are now accruing?

 

Actually what I'm going to do is ask you once again where your "spin" comment came from? I'm curious where it came from or how a link can be spun. (my guess it was just a stupid comment made to impress moen and really has no substance)

...and by the by...it is you and your mentor who seem to make it a left/right thing. I will say (as I have always said) it's the schools who need to be more accountable for the cost of their product, not the students so much & definitely not the tax payers.

 

Oh, I missed this little nugget. Why are students in more debt? Easy...the product they are buying keeps going up in price.
How tough was that?

 

Ahhhh, the classics... "I am going to ask you once again..." ...not that that would even cross your mind as being "spin" though. As for stupid comments? Please... you make the most inane arguments ...like the above accusation that you say I believe the link you provided is spun. That's a horrible argument for you to make lol ...it's absolutely pointless, and untrue.

Well yeah, if I was you... and wanted the focus of any discussion on how the costs of higher education is rising ... I'd want to keep politics out of it too. But that too is just bad arguing. "Schools need to be more accountable" only works for people who intentionally wish to ignore the hows and whys of the issue, if they want to ignore the reasons why students are going further and further into debt.

Not political? What a dumb argument lol ...just where do you think this thread is located? If it isn't a political issue, and only the new guy and I are the ones making it political, then why did you post this thread in "Politics"? lol ...and don't even get me started on your increased use of the word "hypocitical." It's about as ironic as you can get lol

 

Okay, you can't answer that one so I'll move on.
Perhaps you can tell us why you believe students are going into more & more debt. I'll give you time to discuss this with moen if you need to.

 

Very good, I appreciate your answer to one "why" question. However, there is rarely an "easy" answer to any question. What you have there is the "simple" answer, which can be misleading unless it's clarified. To that end, the question you should now find an answer for is: "How, or why, are those prices rising?"

Only by continually asking all these types of questions, and finding answers to them, can you say you are begining to understand an issue.

 

OK then, exactly what are the "how & whys"? It would be awfully moen-esque to make that statement without knowing the "hows & whys" yourself.

 

...Who's this "moen" person you keep thinking I need to discuss things with?

Anyway, I'm not certain which question you are referring to in your first sentence, so I shall move on as well.

As for the second part of your comment, where you ask me to state what I believe is causing the rising debt faced by people in higher education: I believe the reasons have been thoroughly stated already here on this site, and that you are already aware of those comments, and therefore you already know the answer to your question.

However, it's fair to say the issue is a complicated one, and if you are willing to explore it I support that decision.

Your biggest hurdle may be political bias though, and as such how much you can truly learn is limited by it. Therefore, any accusations I make of the attempts by the right against student protesters in the 60s is likely to be discarded with prejudice by you, along with any collaborating information about it, no matter the source of that info.

The policies of "paying your fair share", "personal responsibility", and "smaller government" each have a part to do with it, but if you are biased towards the right you may not see it that way, despite the evidence showing less government support for higher education as a result of republican policies over the years.

Bottom line? Politics is not only a part of the issue, it is the issue. Some people basically want to lessen the role of the government in our lives, to lessen government spending... the other basically wants to fund higher education but can't because of limited funds available. The right is winning the battle, and more burden is put on individuals as a result. Isn't that what you guys wanted? ...I mean congrats, you win.

 

"moen"?...... I vaguely remember someone by that name... but yes, I do know the answers to a lot of those questions. The point is for you to ask them yourself ...and finding the answers is part of the process of becoming knowledgeable.

 

You wasted a lot of words in those 2 posts when all you really had to say was "I don't know". Either way you would look just as clueless. Perhaps you should have just stalled a little more & found out from moen how to answer the question.

Just pause for a moment & think about how stupid-sounding you are when you say something like I'm "ignoring the hows & whys" yet you admit you have no idea what the "hows & whys" are. Or you claim I don't understand what causes student debt to increase then you can't come up with anything different than I offered. Geesh.