In Left vs. Right Politics, Where do Libertarians Fall In

I wonder if it was not written to elicit exactly that reaction.

 

I think (an oversimplified) way of explaining a lot of Libertarians is mostly left on social/liberty issues and mostly right on economic/government issues. Throw in a large dose of non-interventionism (which neither party has any more) and it is not hard to see why those with strong Libertarian leanings typically have a hard time choosing between the 2 parties.

 

I had to roll my eye when I read libertarians support civil rights given Rand Paul's answer to Rachel Maddow. Don't believe everything you find on the internet, or Facebook, or the media, etc... If you ever did.

 

You may be on to something here Stu but I work with a guy that is a proud Libertarian.

I get to listen to him rant about Barry Sotero which is usually followed by Communist, Socialist blah, blah, yada, yada. Of course he throws in the predictable Constitution stuff as well.

He also sports a Tea Party sticker on his vehicle for a local Tea Partier.

Cripes! He's so far right he might make some on here look left and I'm talking righties.

 

Well, a Libertarian would typically have a view of government's role in life somewhat somewhat similar to a Tea Party person. A view that laws and government are a necessary evil rather than a benevolent master*.

But, in my opinion, most Tea Party members aren't really Libertarian. They tend to be very much for their own personal liberties, but not so much concerned about others personal liberties...unless they mirror their own. At least the ones who are influenced by the Religious Right.

*Except for the Anarchist Libertarians, of course, who believe that laws and government are an unnecessary evil. lol

 

I do not believe Rand Paul is a Libertarian, regardless of what he calls himself. He is a Religious Right Tea Party Republican. I believe Libertarians support civil Liberties. If they don't then they aren't. Regardless of what they call themselves.

You can follow your religious beliefs and still be a Libertarian. But you can't go on a crusade to make everyone else follow your religious beliefs and still be a Libertarian.

 

Why feel the need to label yourself? Just believe in what you do and try and find a party that mostly claims to believe in the same.

 

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I don't know exactly what Libertarians are supposed to be. To me, they are like broken clocks. They are correct twice a day but the rest of the time they are pretty much wrong. I can't think of one major contribution Libertarians have ever brought this country. Not one. That is some track record my friend.

 

That is probably because they agree with your views on some things but not on many other things which is not typically enough for a party driven person. It is all or nothing. For us or against us. One of us or one of them. D or R.

And look where that has brought us to. In debt up to our hairline, a political system that is completely broken and deadlocked, over a century of near constant war and interventionism and a heavy topping of authoritarianism thrown in as an added bonus.

 

Actually, my greatest disagreement with Libertarians has nothing to do with either the R or D positions that I may or may not agree with. What really bothers me about Libertarians is that they believe that we all have the same opportunity to achieve exactly the same things if we only have the personal wherewithal to achieve. They assume that we all have equal access to opportunity, education, health care, and things like race, gender and sexual orientation have absolutely no impact on the haves and the have-nots. Our history and current policies are overflowing with examples of rampant discrimination that has benefitted the few at the top while keeping the have-nots down. They choose to ignore even blatant discrimination in pursuit of high ideals that simply cannot be until we have actual equality and freedom across the board. Libertarians basically preserve the wealth and power of those that already have it. They do nothing to help the downtrodden except pay lip service to equality.

 

I can only speak of the Florida Tea Party and they seem to me to be mainly former Regan Democrats and Moderate to Conservative Republicans who want the Consitution to be followed and the crazy spending to stop. The only thing anti I would say they are is being against is the party establishment. Then again this is the hippie generation down here grown old so perhaps they do not fit the norm but these are open minded people who do not sprout hate and seem mixed about religion or lack of it.

 

Very deep. I briefly view the Ed show, they have a black look alike this week which is scary, and those other shows for a few minutes here and there and there is no independent thought. Just we are saints and they are the devils speak. Now not as scary as the National Socialist Party but still scary that people could watch these shows and just accept it as the truth and even more scary that the networks that show them think nothing is wrong with it and as we know will lie and manipulate the truth to follow their party, story, line.

 

Geroge Washington was actually against politcal parties. It would be great if people just voted for someone from their community whom they know and trust whom did a term or two in DC and then got back to their regular life. Instead hundreds of millions of dollars are spent to brainwash people to vote for someone whom does not represent them but is part of a established political machine profession.

 

In my situation I try and find candidates, regardless of party, that mostly believe in the same. That gets harder and harder each election, though, since both parties have moved so far to the extremes. At least nationally. Locally and, to some extent, State-wide, you can still find actual thinking candidates. But, Nationally, it is near impossible.

 

And again I would say it is 160 years of solely alternating Democratic and Republican rule that has brought us to this. And it is only getting worse.

 

I thought the Libertarians only goal was to legalize drugs?

 

I have on purpose not read any comment, just scroll to bottom and comment. Here we go:

I am a fiscal conservative. I live my life this way and try to instill this in my children.
Socially I am rather liberal or more so Libertarian. I want the government out of my bedroom, my church, and these days, my kitchen table.
I do not advocate legalization of drugs. I am all for medical marijuana. I am for closed and controlled borders. I support gay marraige. I supported the " Dream Act" IF and WHEN it passes thru Congress. I think this President is acting in spite of our Constitution.

I am totally against the NYC Bloomberg nannystate bullshit, and I am against the Bachman/Santorum attack on our bedroom privacy and choices.

I expect the federal government to follow the same mode we all live in, IF YOU CANT PAY FOR IT......DONT BUY IT.

Ron Paul is a kook nutsack, Romney is a stiff Repo, Obama hates the Constitution.

Where is the middle?

And thats my opin ion without checking any of yours. Point blank.

EDIT: Went back and saw Peter had something about the 2nd Ammendment. I am a staunch gun rights supporter and keep a personal supply to protect my family. I wil not go further here.