911 debate

Discussion in 'Chatter' started by tomcorona, Sep 14, 2009.

  1. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    ....neither will facts or logic.
     
  2. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

  3. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Clown Hater

    I say you are crazy because you don't even bother to do your homework. In this case, I did it for you several times, but you couldn't even read it.

    So let me understand. You are claiming that nano-thermite was used to bring down the WTC buildings including number 7 because of eye witness and video evidence of loud explosions prior to the building failure. Please explain how a thermite reactions can create an explosion at the WTC when they don't produces gasses or explosions.

    Thermite reactions are extremely exothermic and the heat produced is easily capable of melting steel. The following is a section of the GUIDELINES FOR HANDLING MOLTEN ALUMINUM (second edition 1990) written by the Aluminum Association (page 84, section 30).

    Section 30
    Thermite Reactions

    Molten aluminum reacts with oxides of heavy metals such as iron, copper, and nickel to form the heavy metal and aluminum oxide. These reactions, called thermite reactions, have been and continue to be used in the industry. Thermite reactions generate large amounts of heat, but not gases; hence, these reactions per se do not produce explosions. However, in melting and casting aluminum, care must be taken to guard against contact of the molten aluminum with rusty iron and steel, heavily oxidized copper, and other oxidized materials.

    I have posted this several times. Each time you have ignored it and continued to post your propaganda like the truther lemming that you are. If the explosions were the result of a different type of explosive, there would have been evidence in the form of blasting caps in the rubble. No blasting caps were found in any of the WTC debris. If thermite was used, there would have been no audible explosions.

    Seems you have put yourself in a little bit of a pickle, huh?
     
  4. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    I think only you can re-define/translate in the way that you do..
    The only pickling going on in this post seems to be in your own mind.
    No...I didn't say, nor mean to imply, that your version of A + B = (your interpretation) of C.
    What I was primarily trying to illuminate/illustrate with that particular post, is that 1.)
    that NIST lied/ignored or otherwise perverted in their presentation of "the facts", in order to facilitate their fabrications. 2.) To further illustrate that nanothermite was found and is widely considered to be the form of explosive manipulated on 911 to further facilitate the fable told that day, almost from the outset. 3.) That building 7 was pre-determined to fall and that fact was common knowledge amongst the media, the firefighters, the police, and anybody else within earshot of the area, yet the opposite was/is claimed (that is that they "didn't know" WTC7 was going to fall) by NIST (and ANY "official" fact finding venture). and finally 4.) that eyewitness testimony was ignored in favor of the "official" fable.
    If one can't (rather WON'T) extract the points of that post, and even further attempt to distract and confuse the issues (as you have so skillfully done on multiple occasions throughout this particular thread), then, IMO, that person has an agenda and is interested in something other than "the truth". Cloud/confuse/distract...
    Congratulations...you did it again.
     
  5. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

  6. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

  7. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Clown Hater

    How dumb are you? Do you actually believe the stuff that is written on these ridiculous websites that you quote incessantly? This is not journalism, it is propaganda, plain & simple.

    Regarding Ahmandinejad, why aren't you taking credit? He made those comments for one reason only. He is aware of the treasonous truther movement in this country and others and is looking to exploit the radical conspiracy theory for his own (Iran's) gain. Why don't you travel to Iran and give him the low down on 9/11? That way you can live in a country where everyone believes what you do on the subject, assuming he doesn't kill you! Either way, it works for me and every other American.
     
  8. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Clown Hater

    That is all bull****. I just kicked your ass on that point, and you simply are not man enough to admit it. Tell us genius! If nano thermite was used and thermite reactions don't create explosions, then how did your supposed witnesses hear explosions?

    Come on genius! Don't respond with a paragraph of crap. Answer the ****ing question!
     
  9. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    Yeah actually I do believe this stuff. Any of it is far more believable than the pile of lies officially backed by the liars.
    I could hardly take credit for anything Sparky. I'm quite sure his comments were self serving....doesn't mean they're incorrect however. Regarding treasonous behavior...anyone who goes along the official nonsense on blind trust without analyzing anything and ignoring obvious lies are themselves traitors....to stupidly go along and say nothing while citizens are slaughtered for the benefit of the scumbags who were actually behind the attack is treasonous.
    The "lowdown" on 911 is obvious to everyone outside the country...
    I have a counter suggestion to your suggestion of me going to Iran to be killed...how bout you go and straighten Ahma out? With your bold and obvious intellect..you could set him straight. He'd listen to you...because you're "credentialed" and you represent the whole of America's viewpoints. You could convince him....you could aid world peace. Think about it...the great "Lehigh"...you're already a legend in your own mind....why not spread the word and save us all from World War 3? Wouldn't that be patriotic? Explaining how stupid the rest of the world is to them? I think it's a fantastic idea.
     
  10. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther


    I don't know genius. I don't have all the answers. Only you do. I just know the ones provided don't add up.

    Here's your strategy oversimplified....

    A chicken crosses the road, gets killed and is smashed flat all over the road. I come along and say, gee...musta got hit by a car. You come along and say something like...if you are going to claim that the chicken got hit by a car...then... care to explain how that chicken got there to begin with? You can't can you??!! So you're full of crap!
    Not the best analogy for sure but your logic is equally as disjointed.
     
  11. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

  12. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

  13. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

  14. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Clown Hater

    Is this your new tactic. To post absolutely ridiculous links that don't even warrant a response and declare the the debate over. I guess we should have expected this from Tommy "Top Clown" Corona.

    What happened to you answering some of my questions?
     
  15. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Clown Hater

    Go ahead, pick a question and answer it!
     
  16. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    Your "tactic" for debate is to post some redirected, spotlight shifting response and then to not respond for days/weeks to any rebuttal. You want to completely control what is "debated" and muddy it up with offshoots of your logic and demand debate based on those offshoots rather than specific points I post. That's something other than a debate.
    Additionally....practically NOBODY responds in any intelligible fashion to the hundreds of points I've posted. That says to me that either they can't respond in an intelligible fashion for one reason or another, or, they choose not to respond because they refuse to analyze anything and therefore have nothing to say (other than the mindless dribble/insults/attacks that result from feeling too stupid, or too lazy to respond intelligibly (I suppose). Regardless...little rebuttal is offered, so I can reasonably conclude that I'm fairly close to the mark in most of my posts.
    Now I'll go back and actually read what you posted looking for something relevant to what I posted.
     
  17. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Clown Hater

    I have answered dozens of your questions. You may not like my answers because they are not in agreement with you, but that does not mean they are spinned or muddied up. We are never going to agree! My opinions which are contrary to yours are presented in order to give the other members reading the thread both sides of the story.

    Nobody else responds to your drivel because they know it is a waste of time. Everytime I make a point that proves you wrong, you go off on another tangent of your fantasy conspiracy theories.

    You never answer any of my questions. You don't want a debate! You want a platform from which you can post your truther conspiracy propaganda.

    You have wasted a year of your life posting this crap on this forum. Evaluate your success Tom. How many people have you convinced that 9/11 was an inside job? It is very clear! If you declare the debate over, then you lose in a shutout.
     
  18. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    You don't answer a question...you propagate. You redirect...shift the focus. I'd love to pick ONE point and have you stick exclusively to it in a back and forth fashion (that's called a debate), ONE that I choose and then you respond, then I respond, etc,etc,etc. You're not interested in that because it doesn't facilitate your agenda.
    We do agree on one thing though.....it is a shutout.

    My success in here specifically? I'd say I've had some since folks have privately had positive things to convey. I'd imagine they're too "uncomfortable" publicly doing so. Then there are those who can't be reached because their mind is so polluted with self indulgent ideas that they dismiss anything too uncomfortable to actually think about. So...to answer your question. I'd say mixed success. I'd ask you...if my posts are a "waste", what would yours be called?
    Whether or not you personally acknowledge the size of the truth movement isn't really important. The fact is that it's huge, and growing more everyday. Your attempt at making me look like the only one who thinks that 911 WAS and inside job have failed miserably.

    Oh yeah...and thanks for specifically responding to my posts instead of your own propaganda. You never let me down.
     
  19. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    I gather from this list that you still believe that the WTC towers were brought down via a controlled demolition using nanothermite as the explosive. Let's examine that theory and your supporting evidence shall we.

    * More than 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes consistent with pre-set demolitions.

    Thermite reactions (including nanothermite) do not prodcue explosions. From the GUIDE FOR HANDLING MOLTEN ALUMINUM (second edition 1990) we learned: "Thermite reactions generate large amounts of heat, but not gases; hence, these reactions per se do not produce explosions." Therefore, your first responders (all 100+) are wrong. Most people have never seen a thermite reaction and have no idea what it looks or sounds like. Furthermore, no building has ever been brought down with the use of a thermite reaction. All controlled demolitions are executed using blasting caps. There was absolutely no evidence of blasting caps found in the WTC rubble. Thermite reactions produce both heat and light. If each floor was rigged with nanothermite to execute a controlled demolition, we would have seen and incredible light show coming from every floor of the towers. We know from the video that didn't happen. In addition, thermite reactions are not instantaneous like electric blasting caps. The entire reaction would take anywhere from 10-30 seconds to completely melt the steel beams
    .

    Oh...what the hell.

    You lose all credibility almost immediately! All of the 100 first responders, according to you, were wrong. You're like the government shills..telling people what they saw and what they heard! That's hilarious!
    Then you steer the rest of the post into lala land with your shell game of misdirection. You're correct on a minor point though. Most people don't know a thing about thermite....a fact you use to your own advantage by taking that lack of knowledge and replacing it with your own propaganda.
    Fact is....HUNDREDS, and by now, probably thousands, of architects, structural engineers, can and have, painstakingly explained many of the points that you attempt to spin. As you would say....take a post...and pick one. Maybe this one?

    http://911research.wtc7.net/

    or this one that you continually ignore...

    http://www.ae911truth.org/

    Pick one!
     
  20. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    tom, here's the question I have asked you numerous times yet you refuse to (or is it can't) answer:

    How many people were involved in the "conspiracy" and how long had it been in the works?

    Also, why hasn't the BO administration taken action against Bush & Cheyney? We're 2 years into this farce of a presidency and everything else bad has been blamed on Bush & Cheyney. If there is so much "evidence" against them it seems like with this sort of a slam dunk BO would have siezed on the opportunity.
     

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