Abortion Arguments For/Against

Discussion in 'Chatter' started by wez, Jan 30, 2008.

  1. jhony5

    jhony5 Big Time BS'er

    Don't feel bad, Snaffy. I have a giant penis defect.
     
  2. timesjoke

    timesjoke Progressive Killer

    Too bad it's under your hat.......


    I could not resist, lol.
     
  3. jhony5

    jhony5 Big Time BS'er

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    Why whatever do you mean?
     
  4. atlantic

    atlantic Big Time BS

    I love this story. I'm glad everything turned out all right Eddo.
     
  5. atlantic

    atlantic Big Time BS

    I wish it were that simple to not have abortions, but factors such as rape, neglectful-abusive parents have changed my mind. I have a stepbrother who is a lifer in jail for murder because of his upbringing, he was taken away from my mother (rightfully so) at a very young age due to neglect, then he went from foster home to foster home and was raped and abused. He was sent to prison in his early 20s, and escapes every 10 years or so. His life was and still is hell. I've also seen so many men and women neglect their children due to addictions or pure selfishness that it makes me sick. They also seem to get away with it, and the children grow up sad, with no self-esteem, and usually become drug addicts too. I'd rather see a child stay with god then grow up like that. People need to be responsible from the get go, getting drunk and pregnant is inexcusable imo, when you know that you could create a life you need to take that seriously and prepare for it.
     
  6. hugo

    hugo Big Time BS'er

    If not for the increased abortion rate following Roe v. Wade Al Gore would be President. The best argument in favor of abortion.
     
  7. timesjoke

    timesjoke Progressive Killer

    Most abortions are from women who already have kids, their not married, and either did not use protection at all, or did not use it "every" time they had sex in the month they got pregnant.

    Most abortions have nothing to do with abuse, rape, incest, or medical need, it is about a method of birth control, period.

    I will never suppoort killing children because someone "thinks" the kid will be bad or live the life of a criminal. Who can say the same child will grow up to cure cancer?

    I bring up the story of Oprah Winfrey a lot because here we have a black girl, who endured the "real" racism of old, not the softer, gentler forms used to file lawsuits for not getting a promotion. She survived getting raped numerious times, she survived many hardships, and she is the richest woman in television today.

    No, let's not "assume" any child is better off dead.
     
  8. atlantic

    atlantic Big Time BS

    Oprah's father loved her, as did her mother. Yes she endured many hardships, but her parents wanted her.

    I agree about abortion being used as birth control - it is wrong; but should people who do not want children or would abuse them be forced to have them?

    I think every effort should be made to avoid getting pregnant in the first place if a person doesn't want to have a child.
     
  9. timesjoke

    timesjoke Progressive Killer

    I don't know how much they wanted her. Oprah lived with her grandomther till she was six. After that she lived with her mother but suffered molestation in her mother's home and ran away at the age of thirteen. She was sent to a detention facility but it was too full to accept her and they then sent her to live with her father.

    No, her parents did not truly want her and they allowed her to be molested and abused.

    In the short tern, yes. It would take some time to settle in but if abortion was no longer an option, people would start being more careful.

    We should not be lowering standards just because some don't want to measure up. There are huge waiting lists in every town in America for infants to be adopted. If women don't want their children adoption is a great alternative to killing them.

    And the only way to do that is to "force" people to take responsibility for risky sex. Don't forget there are lots of STD's running around out there because of all the unprotected sex as well so this could help with those as well.
     
  10. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

    The fact her parents were negligent doesn't mean they didn't love her. Your hearing her side of the story. But you know I concur with everything else you're saying. I don't know if drugs or alcohol were involved (probably) but that's just another reason for education and intervention that can be paid for instead of incarceration of minor drug charges.
     
  11. timesjoke

    timesjoke Progressive Killer

    If they wanted and loved her so much, why was she living with her grandmother till the age of six?

    Why did she feel her only option to get away from the abuse was to run away?

    Why was going to live with her father a last option "after" the detention facility could not take her?



    Either way, my point was Oprah endured a massive amount of abuse and definately did not have a lifetime of a supportive and loving family structure. She overcame all that, and a society that had open and even encouraged double standards for blacks in America.

    If she can overcome all that and become the richest woman in television, there are no excuses and also no preset lives by circumstances.

    We should not be killing kids just because we "think" the child will not have a good future.
     
  12. timesjoke

    timesjoke Progressive Killer

    A little more perspective in the argument for abortions for medical reasons:

    How my twins saved my life by kicking loose a tumour while still in my womb | the Daily Mail
     

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