BEHOLD minions !! PROOF of GAWD

I didn't create this conversation.... So who then is the pusher?

 

What would I be pushing?

 

Look.... Fact is that until very recently we didn't judge each other based on our religious or political beliefs. And frankly most of us could even laugh at ourselves about our own personal belief system. I don't care if your belief system is based on God, Mother Nature or Ancient Aliens.... We could all sit, drink a beer and laugh at ourselves and one another about them..... We (all inclusive) have allowed ourselves to be manipulated into becoming warring factions over the most nothing causes. We are being manipulated by the political factions that we hold in high esteem because when we are warring with one another.... They win. Here we are leaders of education and industry and we cannot get our heads out of our areses far enough to see who the true enemy is here... And it ain't one another.

It is inane that we continue to bash one another over left or right... Religious or otherwise... We keep playing into their hands. As long as you are right and I am wrong or vise-versa, they will continue to spend us into oblivion and move us around like sacrificial pawns on a chessboard. Stay focused on one another so they can live like kings..... It's time that we had better wake up and stop obsessing over this absurdity.

 

What an ignorant short-sighted post! In your blindfolded intolerance for Believers who follow the tenets of their Faith you are totally unaware that they are told to go out and share their faith. Moral folks as this will answer direct questions about their faith just as you claimed you would and then did not: JoeNation, posted: "I will without hesitation let anyone know what I believe and why if they care to ask."

Because of what you posted and then didn't do, I started this discussion: "Are Atheists Moral?"

 

Could be God manifests and reveals itself to people in a form and belief system that will be accepted. Including atheism.

 

Great post, However, you forget - There is no GOD. So what the heck is an Atheist except: a very confused person who is making up something (GOD) that they know does not exist so they can validate their confusion with other one percenters' on the earth! It is that simple.

 

Could be. But it isn't God putting white Jesus on the crosses in western churches. It's men.

 

I find it humorous when someone says there is no God. It’s like a person who has their eyes closed saying “there is no light in the world”.

I suppose it’s easier to go through life with your eyes closed, but for God’s sake, open your eyes (pun intended).

 

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Sort of like indoctrinating schoolchildren into the Democrat Party . . .

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Or Drag Queen Story Hour. Or CRT. Or socialism.

 

This thread was going really well until recently. Thanks for the great effort!

 

Non gawd botherers don't start religious wars nor do they lead others into battle. Kinda like astrophysicists. ( obscure reference to a Neal DeGrasse Tyson quote).

 

Can you tell us about why any belief system is required, necessary, desirable, useful and all that for anyone? Wouldn't facts and truths interpreted with logic be far more useful? That happens to be how science got us what we have. Not that the fruits of science haven't been abused by the supposedly gawd fearing money grubbing greedy aholes.

But as Joe mentioned, no gawd has ever revealed itself to man. The notion has always been a construct of man. Mostly to rule and enslave other men. No one wakes up and says "hey, there must be a god" rather they are indoctrinated by others who use that notion against them.

If the sick pervasive notion of gawd were somehow wiped from the collective minds of all mankind it would not spontaneously arise in good people or at all until some ahole conjures it up to use against his fellow man, victims.

 

Suddenly I find my lack of formal education to be a source of great pride.

 

You ask me why any belief system is required yet proclaim to believe in science.

 

Science isn't a belief system. By your standard, anything you believe in would then be considered a belief system. Let me define it for you so you are not confused.

be·lief sys·tem
[belief system]
NOUN

1. a set of principles or tenets which together form the basis of a religion, philosophy, or moral code:
   "the ancient Greek belief system"

Science doesn't rely on faith or belief. It requires proof and evidence. Science doesn't rely on dogma and mysticism. It relies on hard facts that are testable and can be repeated by other scientists. Please don't belittle the scientific method by comparing it to "God did it".

This should help you understand....maybe.

Science Is Not A Belief System

Science is not a belief system. Science is a method. Science uses techniques to measure and classify things and events, assemble data, control variables, infer effects, hypothesize outcomes and more to test belief systems, and to test itself. For example, if in a science experiment a hypothesized result fails to appear, scientists figure out what went wrong and try again, this time with the knowledge that the prior techniques, variables or inferences were wrong. Hypotheses are proved, disproved, or modified. Science is satisfied when test results point to more required testing.

Religion is a belief system. Politics are belief systems though of different kinds and not to be conflated with government, which, unfortunately, sometimes buckles under political belief systems. Belief systems are born of devotion to doctrines or non-scientific practices. The doctrines and practices of religion and politics do not self-test, though they demonstrate conflict and faults routinely and can evolve better with self-testing.

Belief systems can be tested by using scientific methodology and its general tools, but not all belief systems. Not religion nor politics (nor, sometimes, governments) pass muster to scientific testing because, after a point, religion, politics and government are no longer susceptible to scientific testing methodology due to faith, a human quality inherently immeasurable.

Man-made climate change is measurable and classifiable; anthropogenic global warming has been confirmed by scientific methods. The science community from ordinary business records knows how much fossil fuels have been mined, stored, transported and combusted since the Industrial Age. Science knows what chemical reactions take place in the Earth’s atmosphere. The review of such records and the application of ordinary science is not a mystery. The conclusions from such records and scientific applications are easy to understand among those educated in science, but are difficult to understand among persons indoctrinated in the faiths of religion and politics.

That faith and science do not mix may be a truism, but in the operation of human nature in day-to-day activities, faith beats science frequently resulting in obstruction of social development and planetary sustainability, or in complacency about social problems and natural resources degradation. Catholicism embraced science centuries ago, especially due to advances by the Jesuit Order. Other religions shun science. Modern iterations of some religions, e.g., Christian and Evangelical groups, Mormons and others, may survive only if their leaders start to preach scientific acceptance as followers are becoming more and more educated with the consequence that questioning religious authority is more popular.

Evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould stated science and religion are separate “non-overlapping magisteria” (Rocks of Ages, Ballantine, 1999). Gould explained that science is “what the universe is made of (fact) and why does it work this way (theory)”. Religion can claim monopoly over “questions of ultimate meaning and moral value.” I add that though religion holds monopolistic sway for the past two-or-so millennia, religion is not necessary to form meaning and moral value – philosophy suits the same purpose. Religious doctrine, other than teaching the subjugation of enemies and subservience of women and dominion over animals, also teaches to be good stewards of our bodies, fellows, and the planet. Compare science which teaches understanding and good stewardship without deities, violence and dominion. Philosophy and science are fundamentally intertwined. Faith and science are not, despite forced statements saying so.

 

This is exactly the problem that exists. You elevate yourself above the rest of us via the use of simple condescension. This one statement alone is clearly untenable. You make yourself a lost cause to humanity when you place your personal plane of existence above all others. No other thought is acceptable beyond your own.... The very definition of bigoted.

 

Wouldn't the lost cause be the people clinging to centuries old superstitions and dogma? The people that cannot move on from Bronze Age belief systems do humanity no favors. If you don't accept science, why should I accept your superstitions? Why does it only work one way in your world? As I posted, science is a method not a belief.

 

Has nothing to do with accepting science and everything to do with accepting somebody that is different from yourself.

 

How do feel unacceptable?