Fort Hood Shootings

Discussion in 'Chatter' started by De Orc, Nov 5, 2009.

  1. Midas

    Midas New Member

    B. O. should also be blamed because he has lowered moral so much with our troops because he has changed the rules of engagement as we fight against these muslim jihadists.

    I can't imgaine our troops offering Miranda rights to these muslim terrorists, but that is the mindset that B.O. has created. Ft. Hood was just another incident where B.O. demonstrated his lack of leadership and how he truly feels about our troops. Ask any U.S. servicemen how they feel about B.O. as their commander in chief.
     
  2. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Midas care to show me were he has orderd Troops to read any terrorist Miranda ? Why not report the truth the Justice department has given instuctions to FBI OPRATIVES to read the miranda rights to captured high ranking Terrorists, now that is a lot different to ordering troops in the field to read miranda rights to terrorists as you claim!
    Now on to the troop moral that again is not quite true is it! Troop moral in Afghanistan has droped due to increased violence but for those in Iraq it has risen, I totaly agree that President Obama is dragging his feet over Afghanistan and should keep his promis but I also realise he is just doing what the previouse administration did since 2001 which is treat the place as a second rate theater of opporations.
    A study just released by the army says they need more mental health workers over in Afghanistan as well as more combat troops.

    In Afghanistan, more than 1,500 troops in more than 50 platoons filled out the surveys from April to June, and the assessment team when through the same process from May through June.

    In Iraq, some 2,400 soldiers in randomly selected platoons filled out surveys from December 2008 through March 2009 and a mental health assessment team went to the warfront for a month starting in late February to analyze the results and hold interviews and focus groups.


    Other findings of the Afghanistan survey included:

    Junior enlisted soldiers reported significantly more marital problems than noncommissioned officers, stating they intended to get a divorce or that they suspected their spouses back home of infidelity.
    Exposure to combat, long recognized as a strong factor in mental health problems, was significantly higher this year than rates in 2005 and similar to rates in 2007 for the combat units.
    Combat units reported significantly lower unit morale in the last six months of their tours of duty, more evidence of the wearing affect of long deployments.
    Troops in their third or fourth deployment reported significantly more acute stress and other psychological problems, and among those married, reported significantly more marital problems compared to soldiers on their first or second deployment.
    Soldiers on their third or fourth deployment reported using medications for psychological or combat stress problems at a significantly higher rate than those on their first deployment.
    It was significantly harder to get behavioral health care this year than in 2005, a finding that may be owing to the fact that troops are spread out at hundreds of posts around the rugged terrain of Afghanistan.
    Troops who spent two to four hours daily playing video games or surfing the Internet as a way to cope helped lower their psychological problems, but spending time beyond that — three to four hours — had the opposite effect. Those who exercised or did other physical training decreased their mental problems, regardless of the time spent.
    Troops reported more and better training in suicide prevention and other mental health programs the Army has been increasing over recent years in an unprecedented effort to focus on the force's mental health.
     
  3. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther


    If the man changed his name to George Bush you'd be calling him patriotic...doing what needs to be done. Leadership? We haven't had much since 1963, certainly not for the past 8 years. The right can't produce anything more than Georgey buy. The ought to remain quiet.
     
  4. Midas

    Midas New Member

    Look...I don't think Bush fought this war as he should have. Instead of sending in our marines into house after house in search of muslim jihadists and snipers, he should have protected our troops by flattening the damn thing.

    For instance, our troops were one time receiving fire from a mosque tower (seen on the History Channel). Instead of immediately returning fire, our troops had to contact their C.O. and ASK PERMISSION to return fire on the freakin' mosque!?!?!? How insane is that???

    It is this type of pussy-footing that has put our troops in danger so I would have let out generals fight this war as wars should be fought...kill the bad guys and destroy their buildings and assets so they cannot wage war (jihad) against us.

    As for granting muslim jihadists Miranda rights, this story broke during the summer. It was Michigan congressman Mike Rogers, who met with military, intelligence, and law-enforcement officials on a fact finding trip to Afghanistan. What he found was deeply troubling. The Obama Justice Department has quietly ordered the FBI to issue Miranda rights to foreign fighters captured on the field of battle!?!?!?!

    Now Rogers, who himself is a former FBI agent and member of the military, stated:

    “I was a little surprised to find it taking place when I showed up because we hadn’t been briefed on it, I didn’t know about it. We’re still trying to get to the bottom of it, but it is clearly a part of this new global justice initiative.”

    Also, a Los Angeles Times story back in May stated that the FBI is going to have a larger role in what Obama calls the “global justice” initiative; taking more of a prominent part in apprehending and questioning suspected terrorists. One can only speculate why the Obama administration has chosen to proceed with the “former war on terror” in this manner. My guess is that they want cover when they bring detainees to the U.S. for trial; there is no other reason to Mirandize a terror suspect.

    Anybody with half a brain knows that this is a bad idea. The first thing a suspect is told when they are given their Miranda rights, is that they have the right to “remain silent”. What would be the point of keeping a bunch of suspected terrorists, if we were not going to glean information from them?

    Yes...B.O. is trying to fight a politically correct war against those animals that have no respect, nor desrire for freedom and democracy. Idiots!!
     
  5. craig a

    craig a New Member

    Hey didnt you post that soldiers in battle were told to give miranda rights to the enemy? Now you are saying something different. Which is it, slick?
     
  6. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    For instance, our troops were one time receiving fire from a mosque tower (seen on the History Channel). Instead of immediately returning fire, our troops had to contact their C.O. and ASK PERMISSION to return fire on the freakin' mosque!?!?!? How insane is that???

    Here Midas and I are in compleat agreement, you shoot at us we flatten you should be the policy.
     
  7. Midas

    Midas New Member

    Stop the presses...there is a GOD. De Orc and I agree! :eek: :D :eek: :D
     
  8. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    Hate to rain on your parade but I guess you guys know that the history channel is basically government propaganda network (similar to Fox news but with less arrogance).
     
  9. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member

    Yep. Along with A&E and Lifetime. It runs deep people. It runs deep.
     
  10. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    Geez...forgot to mention National Geographic Channel....half owned by Rupert Murdoch.
     
  11. Midas

    Midas New Member

    and the Cartoon Network, MTV, etc. Geesh...
     
  12. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Tom it would not be the 1st time that your soldiers or ours have had to refer back to base for permission to respond when fired upon, that has nothing to do with anything the history channel might have broadcasted it just happens to be a fact of life in the services and something I for one would like to see changed.
     
  13. craig a

    craig a New Member

    Why did you say that soldiers must give miranda rights to thier oppenents? Its not true, is it? You heard that somewhere and took it as fact, right? You just want things to sound more bizzare that they already are, dont ya? Man I can tell you that you'd be the guy who'd surrender. The one in the life boat who'd be freaking out. This world sucks enough without you making it seem even worse.
     
  14. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    Point taken De Orc. I'm just pointing out that you might want to consider the source making sure you see their selective views.
    If the devil appeared before you and showed you clips of say, human torture, along with saying "look what God does", you might want to think about what the devil's objective might be. That's all I'm saying.:)
     
  15. Midas

    Midas New Member

    Criag has no idea (again) what he is talking about. President B.O. and his administration are falling over themselves to offer our constituitional rights to these muslim animals even when they are captured on foreign lands.

    [​IMG]

    BTW...Tom wants us to beleive that 19 muslims who boarded 4 planes did not have nothing to do with 9/11/01 and what we all seen that day is fiction.
     
  16. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    What you saw all day was a remotely controlled military operation. That's how those spectacular maneuvers were made by 'Hani, the miracle pilot'.

    I have a better line for your little picture there. How bout., "We're in the money. We're in the money!" or maybe., "Ok....our "put options" are about to bear fruit!!!
     
  17. Midas

    Midas New Member

    "Remotely controlled military operation"

    - - beautiful man, just f-in beautiful.

    Never mind the 19 muslim jihadist animals that boarded that day...one on United flight 93 yelling "Allah akbar" repeatedly has he drove the jet into that farm field.

    Wait...we'll blame it on Bush, then Cheney, and if that doesn't work...let's go after the JEWS!!!

    Yup..has to be the JEWS fault!
     
  18. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Clown Hater

    The best part is that in his own mind, Tom actually believes that a remote controlled military operation is a more feasible explanation than terrorist hijackings.

    I wonder how he explains the cover up of the missing government planes?
     
  19. craig a

    craig a New Member

    You are wrong. Soldiers are not ordered to give thier oppenents miranda rights. The FBI was told to do that. They arent the same. One is civil. Which is more than I can say about you. So now there are at least four falsehoods you posted here. Hows that feel?
     
  20. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    Hey...you got proof of who was hollering what? Show me proof that all 19 of those "hijackers" are indeed dead. That's the standard usually thrown about, isn't it? Same standards for both sides right?
    Remote technology is well known..and the government is well known for lying. I'm sure all their military hardware is available for public scrutiny, right? We'd know if their planes were missing, and I'm also sure John Q. Public would be the first to know if they were missing (like what happened to the trillions, with a "T", that Rummy reported "missing" the day before 911). Another one of them there strange "coincidences".
     

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