Global Warming is a Hoax!

I think you're being a bit mellow dramatic to describe this trend as tyanny. Even if this movement is some sort of planned out societal shift, and I doubt that greatly, shifts in societal behaviors are going on constantly. Big deal. Roll with it.

 

Actually it is a thermal equaliberiam problem. To keep it short it is an entopy problem. I dare one of you'all to explain entrophy. To keep it a a fifth grade level, what goes in must come out with a slight loss of energy. In other words it goes back to Sir Issac Newton, for every action there is equal and opposite reacation, to keep it basic the energy is lost due tn friction. That ends up as low frequency ( to our newer stuents, Hertz) infrared radiation. If anybody asks you if you want a Hertz Donut, say no, or you will be punched hard on the arm. What that means is, "Hurts donsn't it".

 

Emission from vehicles and manufacturing plants is a form of pollution...

Again...I realize your specific stated belief concerning global warming...its just not important to the point I was making. My comment was concerning pollution being a STATED factor for global warming by those who DO assert that there is such a thing. Your belief concerning the matter does not negate that it is a stated cause by those scientists who are proponents of Global Warming being a real phenomenon...what your personal belief on the matter is is of no concern to the point I was making.


Thus when talking about global warming, certainly it concerns pollution as most measure people are looking to implement are directly related to emissions (pollution)...Adam said it would be good to lower pollution anyway...you said it has nothing to do with the issue...it most certainly does as that is one of the stated goals of Gobal Warming activists is the lowering of emissions world wide....whether they are right and wrong about global warming...lower emission (pollution) is a factual goal thus it is relevant to the topic.

 

I think we wouldn't have a problem explaining 'entropy' but I have no idea what 'entopy' or 'entrophy' is.

 

Whew, it's hot could someone please add some Ice to the Water?

 

^^^ Ha, an explantion disguised as a joke! Very sneaky.

 

Sure it is. The way to fight global warming (whether its real or not) is to cut back on pollution. It does not make sense to say your in favor of reducing pollution, but you are opposed to reducing global warming. Its all pollution. And again, you talk about C02 not being pollution: There is alot more than C02 coming out of cars, factories, etc. Those toxins are the problems. And if we keep destroying our forests, one day C02 will be a problem.

 

I couldn't agree with you more. In fact, I say the exact same thing all the time... But, I say it about the people who love war, and look for enemies anywhere they can find them.

 

I understand your faith in the stated beliefs of scientists and international politica bodies, but it isn't relevant to my point about requiring adherence to the scientific method. These scientists, in expressing their beliefs, have about as much evidence for human-caused global warming as their predecessors who conclusively stated their belief that the sun revolved around the earth. Beliefs do not become reality because they are widely held by both scientists and global warmists. The world has progressed to the point where proof is required before a scientific fact is established, except for the special case of global warming. And it is true that while reducing pollution is a worthy goal, it just hasn't been scientifically demonstrated to be a cause of rising temperatures. That's just a fact.

 

A very telling comment that verifies that this cause isn't about dealing with reality.

 

I guess you could say that. My point is that I personally want to help make the environment as good as possible for future generations. And, although I beleive the scientists who say that global warming is real, I personally don't think we should even be debating it. Lets just agree to clean up the planet. Some of us can say we're doing it to help the environment, others can say they want to stop global warming. In the end we're allies, not enemies.

 

no you dont understand, I have a feeling you arent reading, I have no clue if global warming is real or not, I dont know any more than you...and you dont know. So obviously I have put no faith into anything. I have not made any sweeping judgement that it is all a hoax... I admit I dont know the truth...

I dont care if anything is relevant to YOUR point...I am saying that pollution is relevant to a discussion about global warming as it is the stated cause of it, whether true or false...it IS the issue of global warming...stopping pollution is what pro-global warming people are looking to put an end to...adam said whether global warming is true or false...cutting down on pollution is a good thing all the same. You said it isnt relevant...it is.

you are stuck in a rut...we understand your opinions on global warming, they arent relevant as to whether pollution is part of the over all discussion...proof or no proof, the issue of global Warming is largely about pollution and people doing something to minimize it...

 

I understand that you keep repeating the opinion that you say you don't have, and although you claim that you don't care what is relevant to my point, you continue to address it. But repeating something doesn't make it true. What little science there is about global warming claims it is caused by greenhouse gases, without actually proving it of course. The primary ones are CO2, methane and nitrous oxide, which are overwhelmingly the product of natural processes, not man-made ones. So you can lable it "pollution" or anything else you want, but that doesn't make it true. This is perfectly clear and relevant for the global warmsters who want to link their cause to pollution, but they won't/can't understand it.

 

for a guy who wrote he was no longer writing about the subject, you sure keep going. and you can drop the blacksmith reference, corn cob, we all get it.

 

If you look closely shot shot, you will notice that I never said anything, only posted web sites.
So with that in mind, here is something just for you kikaroo cowboy!

Danr got warned for using that Image so you are now in his company LOL De Orc

 

good lord man...I know you are smarter than this...Dont you get that I am not now nor have I ever said it was true or false? I have never expressed and opinion on the validity of either side of the debate? reread before you hit reply. I am not addresing ANY opinion pro or con!!! I was simply replying to your statement to adam that pollution has no relevance in this discussion by saying:

THOSE WHO DO BELIEVE IN GLOBAL WARMING, BELIEVE IT IS A MATTER OF POLLUTION AND SEEK TO LOWER POLLUTION LEVELS THUS IT IS RELEVANT TO THIS DEBATE FOR THEIR SIDE....

How can I put it any clearer? They are arguing the polloution=global warming side...you are saying it doesnt exist...thus to debate the issue, pollution will be brought up as relevant to the topic to back their opinions...whether you agree with it being true is beside the point, it is their whole argument...thier main point...you may not agree with it but it is thier point and if they do not bring up pollution, there is no debate....

I am not expressing the opinion that global warming is true...I am not expressing the opinion that it is false...I understand you think its false, I understand people like tom think its true...that has nothing to do with the issue that in a discussion of pro vs con...pollution is going to be seen as relevant to the people who oppose your opinion...nuff said, if you still arent getting that an defence of your opinion or further attempts to discredit the others opinion is not dealing with the very simple point I was making...thats fine, there is no need to respond, I assure you I know exactly how you feel on the actual issue of Global Warming...

 

Drusus, it isn't relevant because it is factually inaccurate. Whether adam believes it or not isn't relevant. It can't be made relevant by belief. People can believe anything is linked to anything else, but it doesn't make it relevant. I don't know how to make it clearer than that.

 

It is simply your opinion (and other as well) that it is factually inaccurate, others believe it is accurate (including many scientists)...which makes it relevant to the discussion. nuff said..I think we are on the same page now.

 

You know there Drusus, you may just have something here. Got to thinking about what the Wizard said to Dorthy and it all makes sense. Remember he told her, "if you believe hard enough, it will come true" and it did. She made it all the way back to Kansas.
So stick with your beliefs and someday you too will be back in Kansas.

The best of luck to you in your travels.

 

Clever... But I will say just one last time...I have never said I believe global warming to be true. I dont know if it is or isnt...like everyone else here I only know what I have read about the subject. I am not a scientist or any form of expert on the subject.