Schools giving out the "pill"?

That is the issue here. Not that kids are having sex, not the sex ed- but the fact that parents are more and more turning over the responsibilities of being a parent over to other people to do for them. And the schools and the Gov't just soak it up.

It is not the schools job to educate about sex. It is the parents.

It is not the schools job to educate about birth control. It is the parents.

It is most certainly not the job of the schools to give out birth control pills or condoms- that is the parents.

Why people have kids and then expect others to raise them is beyond me. You all go ahead and elect Hillary and she'll take care of your kids for you. You won't have to do anything, won't have to worry about anything, and they will grow into adults completely dependent on the Gov't to do everything for them. Cool...

 

In a perfect world that sounds great. The simple fact is we have parents that dont get involved in there kids education. So without these kids being taught sex education and such the society as a whole losses with single parents, health care costs to you and I and aborted babies. So yes the government needs to step in. Now handing them birth control pills is a moral issue and they should not be in the business of doing that.

 

School shootings have been rising too.. I graduated in 1987.. never saw school and shooting in the same headline back then, but girls did get pregnant at a steady clip.. apples to apples.. dust to dust

And it's not just the kids that get shot that are effected... every kid in America is effected and scarred by it.. Much worse than a case of a kid getting crabs.. Not national news..

 

Most kids and their parents don't discuss these issues eddo, and if you and your church ever mention sex related issues to the young people in your congregation/youth group, I must once again point out your hypocrisy to you.. Now, does your church involve themselves in any way in these issues, eddo? If not, pardon me, if so, shut the hell up.

 

I agree with that, but that doesn't make it right. Parents should be parenting. When I have kids I do not want the government telling me that I have to give my 11 year old daughter birth-control pills, or that I have to tell her that it is ok to have sex, as long as she is "protected" or "safe." This is not an issue that I am comfortable with a bunch of bureaucrats deciding for me and my family.

oh, this oughtta be good...


Wez, how would it be hypocritical for me to tell kids to wait til marriage to have sex when that is exactly what I am doing?

and I would like to point out that it is you that keeps trying to make this about religion, not me.

 

You are condemning the school for providing contraception, and as a youth group leader at a church, you are pushing your views of complete abstainence as the only "choice".

I guess I wasn't aware you had kids.. How old are "he/she/they"?

Obviously eddo, plenty of kids for one reason or another have parents, however pathetic, that teach them that it's ok to have sex at a young age. Maybe they merely gander around at the messages society gives them and it's not always the parents fault that their kids have sex.. So, you suggest withholding protection and information from them to punish them?? Real f in' smart...

By the way, sex and marriage are not chained together. A committment is between 2 people. Not 2 people and a priest or judge. Besides, anyone who would willingly add another umbrella of laws over their head is nuts, IMO.

Also, marriage is a man made concept.. not divine. I fail to see the need to ask a judge or priest if I can be with another person, and then ask permission to not be with them if we so choose. I have a brain. Not to mention the financial raping by the system in both cases.. Hahahahaha

 

Interesting, but wrong. I do, however, see your point.

When I have talked to the group about sex in the past, I have made sure that every parent knew when it was happening and what I would be saying. It is then up to them (the parents) to make the choice to have their child in attendance or not (which in itself flaws your theory- attendance to church isn't mandatory by the state whereas attendance to school is.)

I agree that media and society plays a part in all this, but the parents have got to step up and start being held accountable for the crappy job they are doing (and that goes for more than just 11 & 12 year olds having sex.) I don't know the answer, but am open to suggestions.

Obviously, I disagree.

The marriage commitment, as I view it, is between man, wife, and God. I don't necessarily think the government has a place within my marriage either. It's funny that you think you know how I feel on these issues wez. Have you figured out yet that I don't fit very well into the stereotypes you compare me to?

 

According to you, you should have told them, "that's your job" and went on a rant about poor parenting..

I pity the parents who are having you teach their kids about sex..

So, you're saying you would have a non - legal, non - government sanctioned marriage with a personal commitment to each other, and God? If so, "we" ain't so different, you and I.

But I don't believe that's the case.. the people in your church would not understand, and you'd buckle.. close?

 

That isn't what I said at all wez. In my case, it was the parents call, which is exactly what I said was best. These parents were allowed to make an informed decision about the sex ed their child would get (and yes, I do believe and teach that abstinence til marriage is best) - because they knew what I would tell them and they had the option to opt out. They don't get that in public school.
And the way this school in Maine is, if you sign a release form saying the school nurse can treat your child for minor things, all of the sudden they are allowed to put your 11 year old daughter on the birth control pill without telling you.

That is wrong.

 

So, why were you offering sex education classes to begin with? I thought you believed that was a parents job?

 

I teach on a multitude of life topics. Sex is one of them.

 

But you're not a parent... and that's got no place in a school, that is the parents job.

BTW.. do you use a banana or a cucumber to show them how a condom works? Hahahahahahaha

 

I've already answered that here. I'm not going to start going in circles with you.

 

You contradict yourself... then avoid it, therein lie the circles you see.

 

I didn't contradict myself at all. But nice try. Sad to see you still can't have a decent discussion with someone without trying to get all high and mighty on them...

 

You are a glutton...

Perhaps "we" should elect you president and teach all "our" kids.. cool

There, I cut, and layed out the circle for you... better now?

Getting better at quoting = Sheik is the worst quote function user on the www.

 

as I said, I already addressed that (I put some points in bold so you wouldn't miss them):

I didn't contradict myself. Schools are mandatory, church isn't, thus making the situations different. If my position as a church leader agrees with what the parents are already teaching about sex, then I m just reinforcing the teachings of the parents. But again, it is up to the parents.

 

Go to your room and think about it for a while... I'm too lazy to quote "the issue is parents turning their responsibilities over to other people" rant again. It's up there.. check it out.. I guess I apply your rules to you, whereas you apply your rules to everyone but you. Is that why "we" don't see eye to eye?

Hard to see with a log in your eye, friend. I gotta go study for pharmacology test.. BTW I got into that nursing program and shot a 78 my last time out. .. Hahahahaha

Later bud

 

you're doing the "apples to oranges" thing again, but since you couldn't see it before, I don't expect you to see it now.

 

You clearly showed the difference between your voluntary instruction for kids with parents having the final say on if their children are exposed to what you are teaching and a mandatory class provided by the government.


The government mandatory class gives no options, it forces a presuption of sexual bahavoirs that can rub off on impresionable children.




You also do not provide the "pill" to children without specific permission from parents.



As you said apples to oranges.