Schools giving out the "pill"?

I see, so the problem isn't lazy parents not parenting that's the problem, as eddo cites, it's that the all lazy parents haven't given eddo the authority to teach their kids all things sex.. Got it. My mistake, sorry bout that.

Hey eddo, how come the parents at your church aren't included in the lazy parent, turning their duties over to other people, catagory? Please explain...

 

I think eddo's approach would be pretty damn good. Abstinence is a very hard concept to sell to the young. And then and only then as a second alternative you explain contraceptives. I think they do teach it this way but the don't emphasizes abstinence enough though. Most kids won't listen and so that's why it needs to be more commercialized. It needs to catch the kids attention. I don't think they would listen to an old fat **** like me or eddo though. there's gotta be a better sales pitch.

 

Nope, you missed it again.

If the parents clearly know and are involved with what is being told to their children, then they are being great parents. In Eddo's example, the perents know everything and (here comes the biggest point so pay attention) they can decide to not have their children be exposed to his instruction.


It is the "informed" choice that completely seperates what Eddo is doing from what the school is doing.

Again, it is the "informed" choice.


Not all parents are good speakers, not all parents know and understand everything in a way to talk about them openly. Many single mothers feel uncomfortable talking to their sons about these things and the father is not arround. I have been asked by many women to talk to their sons on this topic because they know, respect, and trust me.


You can be involved without speaking the words, but it is the involvement that makes a parent a good parent.

 

Glad to see that you and Snafu get what I am saying.

 

What about my last question?

 

Already answered, here, I will post it again.

Again, it is the "informed" choice.


Not all parents are good speakers, not all parents know and understand everything in a way to talk about them openly. Many single mothers feel uncomfortable talking to their sons about these things and the father is not arround. I have been asked by many women to talk to their sons on this topic because they know, respect, and trust me.


You can be involved without speaking the words, but it is the involvement that makes a parent a good parent.

 

No prob, I'll just direct my questions for eddo to you from now on..

Why does eddo clearly state who's job it is to raise their kids, thrice over, and not apply his rants/rules to him and the parents at his church the same way he applies them to others? Who is he to judge any parent or any teacher? I'm sure the parents were informed that the school is going to provide access to birth control, don't like it? Send em to another school = informed consent...

You may now commence with the apples/oranges speech again..

 

Wez, I never said that parents couldn't use outside assistance, but to totally turn the experience over to the gov't and school system is not a good idea.


Some parents may go to the school and find out what is being taught and how before the sex ed class. These are good parents because they are involved in the sex education of their children- even if they themselves may not teach it. Others (the ones to which I am referring) just turn the entire discussion over to the schools without being involved or informed. That is a bad idea, in my opinion.

Now please, lets not turn this post into a "Wez hates eddo" post, ok? Try to put the past behind you and read what I am actually saying instead of putting your thoughts into my words. ok?

 

Hahahahaha.. for the billionth time, wez loves eddo, despite. Have I ever said otherwise? Have you?

So, how do you approach the subject of contraception and disease prevention for those who will and do have sex?

 

He has been very clear but you seem to lack the ability to understand so I am just trying to help you understand. I have three children and am used to dealing with the less than adult mental state.

 

In the classroom setting, I don't discuss contraception. But I do encourage the kids to discuss it with their parents. If they want to talk to me one on one, I will do that. But since I do not agree with sex outside of marriage (and I don't feel that God does either) I don't give the "but if you are going to anyway" speech.

Some of my thoughts on sex:
Sex is a beautiful thing, created by God, not only for procreation, but to build an intimate bond that He intended to be only shared between husband and wife. In the right setting (marriage) sex is amazing, healthy, and positive. In the wrong setting it can be a negative experience: lead to disease, unwanted pregnancy, emotional scars, among other things.

By God's design I think it is best to wait til marriage, and I share that with my group, both in the classroom setting, and by my own life example.

I don't think one is doomed to hell for all eternity if they have premarital sex, I just believe that they are cheating themselves out of the best that God has in store for them and their future spouse.

While I understand that it is hard to be an abstinent teenager, it is absolutely possible to survive the teen years without having sex (and again, I lead by example.)

I do realize that some teens in my group may have already had sex, and if so, I know that God is a loving and forgiving God, and He is able to help them if they desire to recommit their bodies to Him and save themselves from this point forward.

 

I don't have a problem with what you teach or how you teach it eddo, and I think you're fine example.. Just allow everyone else to have that same right as you without judgment or condemnation. I can guarentee you that some of those kids have sex on a regular basis, and are too afraid to tell anyone, especially you, and their parents, increasing their risk of disease and unwanted pregnancies.. That's what fear based teaching does...

 

You cannot say that.

Being as you do not live that life, you cannot understand how it feels and how it supports a persons actions and decisions.

The facts show that young people actively involved in the church get better grades and have very few cases of unwanted pregnancies. Clearly the results tell the difference.





I teach the same thing eddo does with one addition, I tell how our souls interact with each other during sexual intercourse and having different partners confuses our souls and makes it difficult to maintain a relationship.

I believe that is why marriages do not last anymore, our souls are too mixed up and we have no real connection to one special person. Our sexual partners become similar to a toilet, only a place for refief and one is as good as another when we are looking for that relief.

 

Excellent point

another excellent point.

 

Well I don't want to call my second wife a ****ter but I see what your getting at.